'FitzHerbert04'
Index
links to: Lead / LetterFamilies covered: FitzHerbert of Alcester, FitzReynold of Wolverton, FitzRoger of Chewton
'FitzHerbert04'Index
links to: Lead / Letter
Families covered:
FitzHerbert of Alcester, FitzReynold of Wolverton, FitzRoger of Chewton
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| (1) The contents of this page were originally launched within Herbert01 but were moved here to distinguish this family from that one. (2) TCP (Pembroke, vol X page 400 note b) reports: "A spurious pedigree from Herbert the Chamberlain (of Henry I), who is given an equally false descent from Herbert, Count of Vermandois, is set forth by Nicholas, Counties and County Families of Wales, vol ii, pp. 776-77." This not only threw doubt on the descent to Sir William ap Thomas (ap Gwilym ap Jenkin) of Raglan Castle (see Herbert01) but also throws doubt on the fact that the father of the first Chamberlain Herbert is reported by BE1883 to have been Peter de Vermandois, brother of Herbert, Count of Vermandois. (3) BE1883 splits the origins of this family between two articles: one on Fitz-Herbert, the other on Herbert. The way that they are worded indicates that Herbert (Chamberlain to King Henry II) was brother to Piers FitzHerbert rather than his father. The picture is further confused by a looseness in the wording of BLG1886 (Herbert of Llanarth) which leaves it open to question as to the number of generations involved. Fortunately, TCP (FitzReynold) provides enough clarity to give some comfort that the following is reasonably secure, at least for the line to the Lords FitzReynold. |
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| Herbert, Lord Chamberlain (a 1066, Chamberlain for King William Rufus 1087-1100) | |||||||||||||||
| m. Emma de Blois (dau of Etienne (Stephen Henry), Count de Blois, Chartres, etc) | |||||||||||||||
| 1. | Herbert FitzHerbert of Winchester, Lord Chamberlain (temp King Stephen 1135-1154) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Sybil Corbet (dau of Robert Corbet of Alcester) | |||||||||||||||
| A. | Herbert FitzHerbert, Lord Chamberlain (temp Henry II 1154-1189, d before 18.07.1204) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Lucy of Gloucester (dau of Milo de Gloucester, Earl of Hereford) | |||||||||||||||
| ii. | Reginald FitzHerbert (dvpsp) | ||||||||||||||
| iii. | Piers (Peter) FitzHerbert of Alcester and Berstaple (d 1235) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. (1203) Alice (dau of Robert FitzRoger, lord of Warkworth and Clavering) | |||||||||||||||
| BE1883 (FitzHerbert) reports that Peter's sons were by his second wife but TCP (FitzReynold) and BLG1886 report that Reynold was by his first wife. | |||||||||||||||
| a. | Herbert FitzPiers of Blaen Llyfni, etc (d 1247/8) | ||||||||||||||
| b. | Reynold FitzPiers (Reginald FitzPeter) FitzHerbert of Alcester and Blenlevenny, Sheriff of Hampshire (d 04/5.05.1286) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. (1249) Alice | |||||||||||||||
| (1) | John FitzReynold FitzHerbert of Wolverton, etc, 1st Lord FitzReynold (d before 10.02.1309/10) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Agnes | |||||||||||||||
| BE1883 (Fitz-Herbert) suggests that the barony was not inherited by his (unnamed) successors who bore the surname of Fitz-Herbert. However, TCP (FitzReynold) identifies the following successors ... | |||||||||||||||
| (B) | Sir Herbert FitzJohn of Wolverton, etc, 2nd Lord FitzReynold (d 25.06.1321) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (29.04.1291) Alianore (dau of Sir Roger le Rous of Harescombe) | |||||||||||||||
| (i) | Sir Matthew FitzHerbert of Wolverton, etc, 3rd Lord FitzReynold (dsp 12.1356) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (c06.1325) Margaret de Cobham (d 21.07.1357) dau of Sir Henry de Cobham, 1st Lord) | |||||||||||||||
| (ii) | Sir Reynold FitzHerbert of Stanford (d 10.1348) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Julienne | |||||||||||||||
| (a)+ | issue - Margaret (b c1342), Elizabeth (b c1347) | ||||||||||||||
| (2) | Alice FitzPiers | ||||||||||||||
| m. Sir John de St. John of Basing (b 1225, d 29.09.1301-2) | |||||||||||||||
| (3) | Eleanor FitzPiers | ||||||||||||||
| It has not been confirmed that Eleanor was of this family but a site visitor (DS, 24.03.05) has kindly brought this possible connection to our attention. | |||||||||||||||
| m1. John de Mohun, 6th of Dunster (d 11.06.1279) | |||||||||||||||
| m2. William Martin of Kemeys, 1st Lord (b 1257, d before 08.10.1324) | |||||||||||||||
| m2. Joane de Fortibus (de Vyvon) (b 1251, d 01.06.1314, dau of William de Fortibus or de Vivonia, lord of Chewton) | |||||||||||||||
| (4) | son | ||||||||||||||
| (5) | Peter FitzReginald of Chewton (b 1275, d 1323) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Alice (dau of Blethin Broadspear, lord of Llanllowell) | |||||||||||||||
| (A) | Roger FitzPeter (dvp) | ||||||||||||||
| (i) | Sir Henry FitzRoger | ||||||||||||||
| (a) | John FitzRoger of Chewton | ||||||||||||||
| ((1)) | Elizabeth FitzRoger, lady of Chewton | ||||||||||||||
| m. John Bonville (dvp) | |||||||||||||||
| (B) | Herbert FitzPeter | ||||||||||||||
| m. Margaret Walsh (dau of Sir John Walsh) | |||||||||||||||
| (i) | Adam FitzHerbert, lord of Llanllowel and Bettesley / Betesley / Beachley | ||||||||||||||
| m. Christian (dau of Gwarin Ddu 'the Black Lord' of Llandilo) | |||||||||||||||
| (a) | Sir John ap Adam of Llanllowel | ||||||||||||||
| ((1)) | ?? | ||||||||||||||
| ((A)) | Margaret | ||||||||||||||
| m. Thomas Huntley of Llanarth (son of Thomas of Treowen by Alice, dau of William Wallis of Llanarth) | |||||||||||||||
| ((i)) | Mary Huntley of Llanllowell | ||||||||||||||
| m. Thomas Parker of Monmouthshire | |||||||||||||||
| ((ii)) | Margaret Huntley | ||||||||||||||
| m. David ap Jenkins of Treowen (d Banbury 1469) | |||||||||||||||
| (b) | Jenkin ap Adam | ||||||||||||||
| This Jenkins, if he existed, is sometimes shown as the Jenkin ap Adam who was progenitor of various Herbert and other families, including the Herbert Earls of Pembroke. | |||||||||||||||
| c. | Lucia | -- |
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| Lucia is identified in BE1883 (Ros) as "dau. of Reginald FitzPiers of Blewleveny, in Wales" which would make her of the next generation but TCP (Ros) suggests that she was of this generation. | |||||||||||||||
| m. William de Ros of Hamlake (d 1258) | -- |
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| m2. _ de Braose (dau of William de Braose, Lord of Brecknock) | |||||||||||||||
| iv. | Matthew FitzHerbert, Sheriff of Sussex (a 1210) | ||||||||||||||
Main sources: BE1883 (Herbert of Herbert, Chepstow, Pembroke and Huntingdon),
BE1883 (FitzHerbert), TCP (FitzReynold) with some supoort from BLG1886
(Herbert of Llanarth)
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