'GZmisc03'
Index
links to: Lead / LetterFamilies covered: Grandison of Ashperson, Grelle of Manchester, Grendon of Grendon, Grendon of Shenstone
'GZmisc03'Index
links to: Lead / Letter
Families covered:
Grandison of Ashperson, Grelle of Manchester, Grendon of Grendon, Grendon of Shenstone
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| Although TCP (Grandison) notes that the father of Otho and William may have been Amadee, Sn de Granson, it suggests that their most probable parents were ... | |||||||||||||||
| Pierre de Granson, Sn de Granson | |||||||||||||||
| m. Agnes de Neufchatel (dau of Ulric, Comte de Neufchatel) | |||||||||||||||
| 1. | Sir Otho or Otes de Grandison, Lord, Governor of Guernsey and Jersey (dsp 04.1328, secretary to King Edward I) | ||||||||||||||
| m(?). daughter of the Count of Burgundy | |||||||||||||||
| 2. | Sir William de Grandison of Ashperson, 1st Lord (d 27.06.1335) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (by 1285) Sibyl Tregoz (d 21.10.1334, dau of Sir John Tregoz of Ewyas Harold, Lord) | |||||||||||||||
| A. | Sir Piers de Grandison, 2nd Lord (dsp 10.08.1358) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (before 10.06.1330) Blanche de Mortimer (d 1347, dau of Sir Roger de Mortimer of Wigmore) | |||||||||||||||
| B. | John de Grandison, Bishop of Exeter, 3rd Lord (b 1292, d 16.07.1369) | ||||||||||||||
| C. | Sir Otes de Grandison (d 23.05.1359) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (before 28.10.1340) Beatrice Malemayne (dau of Sir Nicholas Malemayne) | |||||||||||||||
| i. | Sir Thomas de Grandison, 4th Lord (dsp 1375) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Margaret de Caru (d 10.1394) | |||||||||||||||
| ii. | Elizabeth Grandison (d unm) | ||||||||||||||
| D. |
Mabella Grandison |
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| m. (by 1312) Sir John de Pateshulle (b c1292, d 07/8.1349) |
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| E. | Agnes Grandison | ||||||||||||||
| m. Sir John de Northwode | |||||||||||||||
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Katherine Grandison |
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| m. William de Montacute, 1st Earl of Salisbury (b 1301, d 1343) |
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| 3. | Agnes Grandison probably of this generation | ||||||||||||||
| m. Sir William Devereux of Lyonshall (d 1314) | |||||||||||||||
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| Albert de Grelle, 1st of Manchester | |||||||||||||||
| 1. | Robert de Grelle or Greslei of Manchester (a 1134) | ||||||||||||||
| A. | Albert de Grelle of Manchester (a 1134) | ||||||||||||||
| i. | Albert de Grelle of Manchester (d c1185) | ||||||||||||||
| BE1883 shows only one generation of Alberts here, reporting that he died about 1185 and married ... | |||||||||||||||
| m1. Agnes (dau of Nigel, Baron of Halton) | |||||||||||||||
| m2. _ Basset (dau of Thomas Basset) | |||||||||||||||
| Not known which wife was mother (or grandmother) of ... | |||||||||||||||
| a. | Sir Robert (Roger) Grelle of Manchester (d 1230) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (Margaret) de Longchamp (dau of Henry (sb Hugh?) de Longchamp) | |||||||||||||||
| (1) | Sir Thomas Grelle of Manchester (d c1261) | ||||||||||||||
| (A) | Robert Grelle | ||||||||||||||
| (i) | Sir Robert Grelle of Manchester (d c1283) | ||||||||||||||
| BE1883 (Gresley) identifies the father of Lord Thomas, and wife of Hawyse de Burgh, as Thomas and shows him as son of the Sir Thomas above who died c1261. We follow TCP. | |||||||||||||||
| m. Hawyse de Burgh (dau of John de Burgh of Wakerley) | |||||||||||||||
| (a) | Sir Thomas Grelle of Manchester, Lord (b 08.08.1279, dsp before 11.10.1347) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (before 02.11.1299) _ Wake (sister of John Wake) | |||||||||||||||
| (b) | Joan Grelle or de Gresley (d 20/1.03.1352/3) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (c12.1294) John La Warr of Ewyas Harold, 2nd Lord (b c1276, d 09.05.1347) | |||||||||||||||
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| Roger de Grendon (a temp Stephen who r. 1135-1154) | |||||||||||||||
| 1. | Richard de Grendon | ||||||||||||||
| m. Margaret | |||||||||||||||
| A. | Sir Robert de Grendon of Grendon the first mentioned by TCP | ||||||||||||||
| m. (c1189) Avicia de Bray (dau of William de Bray or Brae of Shenston) | |||||||||||||||
| i. | Sir Robert de Grendon of Grendon and Shenston, Sheriff of Staffordshire and Salop (a 1265) | ||||||||||||||
| m(1). Emma Basset (dau of Sir William Bassett of Sapcote) | |||||||||||||||
| a. | John de Grendon not mentioned by TCP | ||||||||||||||
| (1)+ | issue - Henry, Thomas, Nicholas, Robert, Ranulph | ||||||||||||||
| b. | Sir Ralph de Grendon of Grendon and Shenstone (d before 25.12.1279) | ||||||||||||||
| Assuming that TCP is correct, BE1883 appears to confuse the marriage of this Ralph with those of his son, not naming his son's wife/wives but naming this Ralph's 1st wife as Johanna and his 2nd wife as A. de Clinton by whom he was mother of 3 daughters. We follow TCP which confirms that the 3 daughters were half-sisters of the next Ralph. This leaves no definite place for Joane de Grendon, shown by BE1883 to have been sister of Ralph, 2nd Lord, and married to John Rochford (by whom she had Sir Ralph, father of Margery). TCP mentions an Isabel, wife of John de Rochford, as claiming a dower from Robert de Grendon so she may have been a sister of this Ralph. | |||||||||||||||
| m. Isabel (a 1307, she m2. Theobald de Neville of Alexton) | |||||||||||||||
| (1) | Sir Ralph de Grendon of Grendon and Shenstone, 1st Lord (d c1331) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. Joan Burnell (probably dau of Sir Hugh Burnell, sister of Sir Philip) | |||||||||||||||
| (A) | Sir Ralph de Grendon, 2nd Lord (dsp 1364/5) | ||||||||||||||
| BE1883 reports that Ralph was "a person of weak intellect" but TCP reports that he was "a soft and esy mon" but did act as a Sheriff of Stafford. | |||||||||||||||
| m1. (div 1355) Isabel | |||||||||||||||
| m2. Eleanor | |||||||||||||||
| m2. (by 1299) Joan de Clinton (dau of Sir John de Clinton of Coleshill) | |||||||||||||||
| (B) | Johanna de Grendon | ||||||||||||||
| m. Sir Roger Chetwind | |||||||||||||||
| (C) | Alicia de Grendon | ||||||||||||||
| m. Sir Philip Chetwind (d 1346) | |||||||||||||||
| (D) | Margaret de Grendon | ||||||||||||||
| m. John de Freford | |||||||||||||||
| m3. Sibyl (a 1348) | |||||||||||||||
| (2) | Alicia de Grendon | ||||||||||||||
| Shown by BE1883 as a generation earlier but this is presumed to be the Alice who married John, apparently brother of the Joan shown above as married to her brother. | |||||||||||||||
| m. John de Clinton | |||||||||||||||
| BE1883 suggests that Sir Robert and Avicia had a younger son Roger. TCP identify their other children as ... | |||||||||||||||
| ii.+ | other issue - Richard, Cicely | ||||||||||||||
| 2. | Walchelinus de Grendon of Bromcote | ||||||||||||||
| A. | William de Grendon of Bromcote | ||||||||||||||
| i. | William de Grendon of Bromcote | ||||||||||||||
| a. | Robert de Grendon (a 1293) | ||||||||||||||
| (1) | Thomas de Grendon (a 1324) | ||||||||||||||
| (A) | Thomas de Grendon | ||||||||||||||
| (i) | Margaret Grendon | ||||||||||||||
| m1. _ Charnels | |||||||||||||||
| m2. Thomas Malory | |||||||||||||||
Main sources:
(1) For Grandison (uploaded 22.11.03) : TCP (Grandison), BE1883 (Grandison).
(2) For Grelle (uploaded 05.05.04) : TCP (Grelle or Gresle), BE1883 (Gresley).
(3) For Grendon (uploaded 07.03.06) : BE1883 (Grendon), TCP (Grendon).
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