'MZmisc06'
Index
links to: Lead / LetterFamilies covered: Moleynes (Molines) of Moleyns (Molines), Marney of Layer Marney
'MZmisc06'Index
links to: Lead / Letter
Families covered:
Moleynes (Molines) of Moleyns (Molines), Marney of Layer Marney
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| TCP (Moleyns or Molins) includes a note that reports that this family is thought to have descended from the following William de Falaise. However, it notes that the normally identified ancestor is Robert but that he probably died without (male) issue. | |||||||||||||||
| William de Falaise | |||||||||||||||
| 1. | William des Moulins (a 1124) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. Aubree (a 1124, dau of Guitmond, castellan of Moulins) | |||||||||||||||
| A. | William des Moulins | ||||||||||||||
| B. | Robert des Moulins (dsp) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Agnes (dau of Robert de Grandesmil) | |||||||||||||||
| m2. Duda (dau of Waleran de Meulan) | |||||||||||||||
| C. | Simon des Moulins | ||||||||||||||
| D. | Hugh des Moulins (dsp) | ||||||||||||||
| TCP starts 'properly' with ... | |||||||||||||||
| Vincent de Moleyns | |||||||||||||||
| m. Isabel | |||||||||||||||
| 1. | Sir John de Moleyns, 1st Baron (d 10.03.1359/60) | ||||||||||||||
| TCP identifies this John as having been called to a Great Council as if he was a Baron but notes that that assembly is not recognised as a formal Parliament. Accordingly TCP appears not to accept that John and his successors were real parliamentary 'Lords'. However, as TCP does include an article on the family (although this is arguably in support of the fact that the undermentioned Sir Robert Hungerford was summoned to Parliament as Lord Moleyns), we follow BE1883 in identifying him and his successors as though they were. BE1883 shows that he had a second wife, Margaret (daughter of Roger Pogeys of Stoke Pogeys) but TCP just shows his marriage to ... | |||||||||||||||
| m. (by 1325) Gilles or Egidia Mauduit (dau of Sir John Mauduit of Somerford) | |||||||||||||||
| A. | John de Moleyns (dvpsp 10.1342) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (by 1340) Joan Rokesley (d 06.05.1369, dau of Sir Richard Rokesley) | |||||||||||||||
| B. | William de Moleyns, 2nd Baron (d 14.02.1380/1) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (before 12.03.1352) Margery Bacoun (b 1336, d 01.06.1399, dau of Sir Edmund Bacoun of Norfolk by Margery Poynings) | |||||||||||||||
| i. | Richard de Moleyns, 3rd Baron (d 14.12.1384) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Eleanor de Beaumont (dau of Henry Beaumont, 3rd Lord) identified by BE1883 (Molines) and BE1883 (Beaumont) | |||||||||||||||
| a. | William de Moleyns, 4th Baron (b 07.01.1377/8, d 08.06.1425) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (before 25.12.1405) Margery (d 26.03.1439) | |||||||||||||||
| BE1883 only shows one generations of Williams, showing Eleanor (Alianore) as daughter of the 4th baron. We follow TCP. | |||||||||||||||
| (1) | William de Moleyns, 5th Baron (bpt 08.12.1405, d Orleans 08.05.1429) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. (1417) Katherine Fauconer (dau of Thomas Fauconer) | |||||||||||||||
| m2. (01.05.1423) Anne Whalesborough (a 01.1486, dau of John Whalesborough of Cornwall) | |||||||||||||||
| (A) | Eleanor de Moleyns (b 11.06.1426) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. (before 05.11.1440) Robert Hungerford, 3rd Lord Hungerford, Lord Moleyns, (b before 1429, d 1463/4) | |||||||||||||||
| m2. (c24.03.1468/9) Sir Oliver Manyngham | |||||||||||||||
| (2) | Katherine Moleyns (d 03.11.1465) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Sir John Howard, 1st Duke of Norfolk (d Bosworth Field 22.08.1485) | |||||||||||||||
| C. | Isabel de Molines | ||||||||||||||
| m. Robert Morley (dvp before 12.11.1403) | |||||||||||||||
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| ?? de Marney | |||||||||||||||
| 1. | Ralph de Mareny of Layr Marney (a 1254) | ||||||||||||||
| 2. | Roger de Mareny | ||||||||||||||
| A. | William de Marney (a 1262) | ||||||||||||||
| i. | Robert de Marney named John by Berry | ||||||||||||||
| m. Avice Gernon (dau of Ralph Gernon) | |||||||||||||||
| a. | William de Marney | ||||||||||||||
| m. Katherine Venables | |||||||||||||||
| (1) | Sir Robert de Marney | ||||||||||||||
| m. Alice Layer (dau of Richard Layer of Suffolk) | |||||||||||||||
| (A) | Sir William Marney of Layer Marney, Sheriff of Essex and Hertfordshire (d 1414) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Elizabeth Sergeants (dau of Richard Sergeants or Sergiaux) | |||||||||||||||
| (i) | Sir Thomas Marney (d 1417) | ||||||||||||||
| (a) | daughter (d unm) | ||||||||||||||
| (ii) | William Marney (d unm) | ||||||||||||||
| (iii) | Sir John Marney of Layer Marney (d c1471) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (before 27.04.1447) Jane Throckmorton (dau of John Throckmorton of Gloucestershire) | |||||||||||||||
| (a) | Sir Henry Marney, 1st Lord of Layer Marney (b 1457, d 24.05.1523) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. Thomasine Arundell (dau of Sir John Arundell of Lanherne) | |||||||||||||||
| ((1)) | John Marney, 2nd Lord (b c1493, d 27.04.1525) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. Christian Newburgh (d 06.08.1517, dau of Sir Roger Newburgh) | |||||||||||||||
| ((A)) | Katherine Marney (b c1515) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. (c1528) George Ratcliffe (dsp before 11.1542, of Sussex family) | |||||||||||||||
| m2. Sir Thomas Poynings, Sheriff of Kent, Baron (dsp 17/8.08.1545) | |||||||||||||||
| ((B)) | Elizabeth Marney (b c1517) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Thomas Howard, 1st Viscount of Bindon (d 28.01.1581/2) | |||||||||||||||
| m2. Bridget Waldegrave (bur 20.09.1549, dau of Sir William Waldegrave) | |||||||||||||||
| ((2)) | Thomas Marney (d young) | ||||||||||||||
| ((3)) | Catherine or Elizabeth Marney | ||||||||||||||
| m. Thomas Bonham | |||||||||||||||
| m2. Elizabeth Wyfold (dau of Nicholas Wyfold or Wilford, Lord Mayor of London) | |||||||||||||||
| ((4)) | Grace Marney | ||||||||||||||
| m. Sir Henry Bedingfield | |||||||||||||||
| (iv) | Anne Marney | ||||||||||||||
| m. Sir Thomas Tirrell of East Horndon and Heron | |||||||||||||||
Main sources:
(1) For Moleyns/Molines : TCP (Moleyns or Molins), BE1883 (Molines).
(2) For Marney : BE1883 (Marney of Layr-Marney) with input from TCP (Marny or
Marney) and a little support/input from the article on Warren in 'Pedigrees of Essex Families' (collected by William Berry, published 1838).
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