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| There appears to be some confusion on how exactly the branch of Newhall connected to the senior line of Dethick Hall. It is not helped by the fact that a number of web sites appear to confuse Newhall of Derbyshire, which applies to this family, with Newhall of Cornwall - or perhaps there were two different families called Dethick of Newhall and it is we who are confused. That is quite likely! The following may need to be thoroughly revised. Some web sites start with ... |
| Geoffrey de Dethick |
| m. Joan |
| 1. |
Robert de Dethick of Dethick, Derbyshire |
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m. Ellen |
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A. |
Geoffrey de Dethick of Dethick (b 1268) |
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m. Jane |
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i. |
William Dethick of Dethick (b 1295) |
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m. Eleanor |
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a. |
Sir Geffrey Dethick (or Dethyke) of Dethick Hall (b 1322?) the first mentioned by Visitation (Norfolk) |
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m. Emma Stafford (dau of Thomas Stafford of Grafton) |
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(1) |
Sir William Dethick of Dethick (Dethyke of Dethyke) |
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Various web sites disagree with Visitation (Norfolk) on the next few generations. Some show this William as married (some say in 1373) to (Margery) Frankville and his son William to Elizabeth Derham (dau of Thomas Derham of Crimplesham) and his son William to Alice Adderley. That is probably wrong as the Elizabeth Derham who married a William Dethick is shown by other web sites as born in the 1470s. Other sites show the William who married Alice Adderley as born in 1311. The position is muddied by the fact that Visitation (Worcestershire) starts with a Rauff Dethicke of Dethicke Hall, father of both Sir William of Dethicke Hall and the John who married Margaret Meynell. The following appears to cover the relationships & dates as far as we can make them out but it should be viewed as presumptuous and in need of further investigation, not least on the identity of the William who married Alice Adderley. |
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(A) |
Sir William Dethick of Dethick (Dethyke of Dethyke) (a 1385, 1402, eldest son) |
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m. (Margery) Frankville Visitation (Norfolk) just identifies her as a daughter of _ Frankville |
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(i) |
Thomas Dethick of Dethick |
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Visitation (Norfolk) just names Thomas as eldest son and then follows the line of his brother Roger. We presume that he succeeded to Dethick Hall and was father or grandfather of ... |
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(a) |
Robert Dethick of Dethick probably of this generation |
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((1)) |
Isabel
Dethick (d 1435) |
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m. Thomas
Babington of Dethick and Kingston (d 1467) |
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((2)) |
daughter mentioned on a site as sister of Isabel |
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m. _ Pole of Heage |
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(ii) |
Roger Dethyke - continued below |
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(iii)+ |
other issue - William, John |
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(B) |
John Dethicke |
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The following comes from Visitation (Worcestershire) which shows him as son of Rauffe of Dethicke Hall and younger brother of Sir William of Dethicke Hall. Various web sites show him as the first of Newhall, Derbyshire, although the Visitation does not give any designation for him. |
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m. Margaret Meynell (dau/co-heir of Raffe Meynell of Long Meynell) |
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(i) |
Thomas Dethick of Newhall, Derbyshire |
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Visitation (Worcestershire) follows the line of Thomas's brother John and only shows Thomas as father of William father of Thomas. Other details of this branch come from various web sites. |
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m. Elizabeth (dau of Thomas Kynardesly or Kinnersley of Loxley) |
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(a) |
William Dethick of Newhall |
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m. _ Thicknall (dau of Francis Thicknall) |
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((1)) |
Thomas Dethick of Newhall |
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m. Margery Hawley (dau of Humphrey Hawley) |
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((A)) |
Humphrey Dethick of Newhall possibly of this generation |
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Most sites end with Anne (below). Dates suggest that Humphrey was either Anne's brother of her nephew. |
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((i)) |
Catherine Dethick (sole heir) |
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m. Alexander Reddish of Reddish (dspm 1613) |
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((a)) |
Grace Reddish |
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m. Sir Robert Darcy |
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(((1))) |
Edward Darcy of Newhall |
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m. Elizabeth Stanhope |
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(((A))) |
Elizabeth Darcy |
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m. William Barnes of Derby |
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(((B))) |
Katherine Darcy |
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m. Sir Erasmus Philipps of Pembrokeshire |
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(((C))) |
Anne Darcy |
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m. Thomas Milward of Stanton Wood |
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(((D))) |
Dorothy Darcy |
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m. (c1676) Sir William Rokesby of Yorkshire |
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((B)) |
Anne Dethick |
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m. John Kniveton |
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((C)) |
Elizabeth Dethick probably of this generation |
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m. Thomas Mynors of Treago (d 04.07.1539) |
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(ii) |
John Dethick of Sagebury, Worcestershire |
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m. Jane |
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(a) |
Richard Dethick of Sagebury |
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m. Anne |
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((1)) |
Richard Dethick of Sagebury |
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m. Elizabeth Newport (dau of John Newport of Droitwich) |
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((A)) |
William Dethick of Sagebury |
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m1/2. Jane Bray (dau of William Bray of Durdall) |
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((i)) |
George Dethick, last of Sagebury |
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m. _ Tuke of Kent |
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((ii))+ |
other issue - Elizabeth, Dorothy, Ciceley, Constance |
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Some web sites (eg within RootsWeb) show this William as 'of Newhall' and father of Margaret by ... |
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m2/1. Ann Bradburn (dau of Humphrey Bradburn of Hough by Margaret Longford) |
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((iii)) |
John
Dethick of Newhall probably of this generation |
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m. Elizabeth Okeover (brother of Philip) |
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((iv)) |
Margaret Dethick |
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m. Philip Okeover (d 1604) |
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((2))+ |
other issue - William, Gilbert, John, Joyce, Elizabeth, Fortune |
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(B) |
Reginald Dethick possibly of this generation |
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Shown by some web sites as son of Geoffrey of Newhall (son of William by Alice Adderley) and brother of William, Robert & John. BLG1952 (Meynell of Meynell Langley) shows the Thomasine who married Reginald as sister of the Margaret who married Roger (not John) Dethick (see above). |
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m. Thomasine Meynell (dau/co-heir of Raffe Meynell of Long Meynell) |
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(i) |
Margaret Dethike (d 1466) |
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m1. Ralph Basset |
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m2. Nicholas Montgomery |
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Shown by some web sites as a son of William Dethick by Alice Adderley, others as grandson of that William & Alice and son of William of Newhall (Cornwall!) by Cicely Curzon, was the following William. The following comes from various web sites (particularly from within RootsWeb). |
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(2) |
William Dethick of Breadsall, Derbyshire possibly of this generation |
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m. Isabel |
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(A) |
William Dethick of Breadsall (a 1433) |
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m. Joanna |
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(i) |
John Dethick of Breadsall |
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m. Margaret Rolleston |
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(a) |
John Dethick of Breadsall |
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m. Joan Foljambe (dau of Roger Foljambe by Goditha) |
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((1)) |
John Dethick of Breadsall |
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m. Mary Illingworth (dau of Richard Illingworth of Stanford by Elizabeth Broughton) |
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((A)) |
John Dethick of Breadsall (d 06.10.1548-9) |
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m. Lucy Barrington of Essex |
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((i)) |
John Dethick of Breadsall (b 11.1523, d 13.06.1593-4) |
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m. Emma or Ellen Lowe of Denby |
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((a)) |
Dorothy Dethick (b 13.06.1589) |
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m. John Harpur of Swarkston & Breadsall |
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((ii))+ |
other issue - Edeard, Lancelot, Mary, Elizabeth, Anne |
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((B))+ |
other issue - Richard, William, Ralph, Thomas, Anthony, Henry, Anne, Margaret |
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((2))+ |
other issue - William, Richard, Margaret |
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| Roger Dethyke - continued above |
| 1. |
Philip Dethyke |
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m. Joane Audeley (Audebie) |
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A. |
John Dethyke |
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m. _ Whatton (dau of Thomas Whatton of Derbyshire) |
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i. |
John Dethyke of Wormygey, Norfolk |
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m. Elizabeth Chamberlayn (dau of Thomas Chamberlayn) |
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a. |
Edmond Dethyke of Wormygey |
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m. Elizabeth Spylman (dau of Christopher Spylman of Stowe) |
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(1)+ |
issue - Christopher, Edward, Thomas, Amye |
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b. |
Edward Dethyke |
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m. Ann Bridges |
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(1) |
Edward Dethyke |
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(2) |
John Dethyke |
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m1. Alice Chartres (dau of Edmond Chartres) |
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m2. Elizabeth Methwold (dau of Thomas Methwold) |
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c. |
Thomas Dethyke |
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d. |
Grace Dethyke |
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m. Francis Spylman of Stow |
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e. |
Ursula Dethyke |
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m. Francis Bastard of West Wynch |
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(1)+ |
issue - Leonard, Edmond, Henry, John, Elizabeth, Anne, Frances |
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f. |
Elizabeth Dethyke |
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m1. John Lovell of Fyncham |
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m2. Thomas Reynolles of Suffolk |
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(1)+ |
issue - Henry, Robert, John, Elizabeth, Frances |
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other issue - Gilbert, Charles, Ambrose, Bartholomew, Thurston, Oliver |
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| Although the following family shared their family name with the Dethicks above, Wikipedia suggests that their ancestry was very different, being derived from the following Robert who was "a Dutchman". |
| Robert Dericke |
| m. Agatha Leydedecker (dau of Matthias Leydendecker) |
| 1. |
Sir Gilbert Dethicke of Poplar (in Stepney) (d 03.10.1584, Garter King of Arms) the first mentioned by Visitation |
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m1. Alice Peterson (d 13.01.1572, dau of Leonard Peterson) |
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A. |
Nicholas Dethicke (Windsor Herald) |
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B. |
Henry Dethicke (Chancellor of Carlisle) |
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m. Jane Bowes (dau of Sir Martyn Howes) |
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i. |
Martyn Dethicke of Amerstone, Durham (a 1615) |
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m. Mary Wycliffe (dau of John Wycliffe of Thorpe) |
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a. |
John Dethicke (b c1614) |
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ii. |
Thomas Dethicke |
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iii. |
Margaret Dethicke |
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m. John Wycliffe of Gales |
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iv. |
Cordall Dethicke |
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m. Henry Tennant of Scotton |
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C. |
Sir William Dethicke (Garter King of Arms) |
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The following connection (to Anne) comes from Visitation (Worcestershire, 1682-3, Watson of Bengeworth). |
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i. |
George Dethicke of Gray's Inn (eldest son) |
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a. |
Anne Dethicke (co-heir) |
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m. John Watson |
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b. |
Thomasine Dethicke probably of this generation |
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m. Sir Thomas
Bennet |
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m2. Jane Duncomb (dau of Richard Duncomb of Mereton, widow of William Naylor) |
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D.+ |
other issue - Robert, Mary |
| 2.+ |
other issue - Dericke, Matthias |