'SZmisc02'Index links to: Lead / Letter
Families covered: Somery of Dudley, Steyngreve or Stonegrave of Stonegrave, de St. Amand, Shorter of Southwark, Shorter of Staines

John de Somery
m. Hawise Paynel (dau of Ralph Paynel of Dudley)
1. Sir Ralph de Somery of Dudley (d c1211)
  TCP (Berkeley) reports that, although Ralph is often described as Lord of Campden, it was his son Roger who obtained Campden through his 1st marriage.
  m. Margaret (dau of John FitzGilbert Mareschal)
A. Ralph de Somery (d before 1220)
  m. Ida Plantagenet (b after 1198, dau of William Plantagenet, 'Longespee', 1st Earl of Salisbury)
  B. William Perceval de Somery (d before 20.06.1222)
  i. Nicholas de Somery (d young before 04.07.1229)
  C. Roger de Somery of Dudley (d by 26.08.1273)
  m1. Nichole D'Albini (dau of William de Albini, Earl of Sussex, 3rd Earl of Arundel)
  i. Ralph de Somery (dvp by 1253)
  ii. Margaret de Somery (a 1293)
  TCP (Basset of Drayton) reports that this Margaret has been wrongly identified (by Dugdale and others) as the Margaret who married Urian de St. Pierre and then (1295) Ralph Basset of Sapcote.
  m1. Ralph Basset of Drayton (b 1227, d Evesham 04.08.1265)
  m2. (before 26.01.1270/1) Ralph de Cromwell of Cromwell (d before 18.09.1289)
  m2. (c1254) Amabil de Chaucombe (dau of Robert de Chaucombe)
iii. Roger de Somery of Dudley (b 24.06.1255, d by 11.10.1291)
  m. Agnes (d by 23.11.1308)
  a. John de Somery, Lord (b 03.1279/80, d 1322)
  m. Lucy (d before 1342)
  b. Margaret de Somery
  m. John de Sutton, later of Dudley
  c. Joan de Somery
  m. Thomas de Botetourt
  iv. Robert de Somery possibly of this generation, of this marriage
  a. Julia(n) de Somery (heir)
  m. Thomas de Luttleton of Coulesdon (a 1315, 1360)
  B. Joan de Somery (a 1273) H
  m. (c1217) Thomas de Berkeley of Berkeley Castle (b c1170, d 29.11.1243) H



Simon de Steyngreve
m. Beatrice Foliot (dau of Jordan Foliot of Frisby)
www.geneajourney.com suggests that Beatrice's father was the same person as Sir Jordan Foliot, Lord of Gressenhall but we have not seen reason to agree with that. TCP describes Beatrice as heir of her father but Sir Jordan of Gressenhall had a successor son. Furthermore, Frisby is in Lincolnshire but TCP (Foliot), which mentions many manors and their counties, does not mention any in Lincolnshire.
1. William de Steyngreve or Stonegrave
2. Piers de Steyngreve or Stonegrave of Stonegrave (d by 1267-8)
3. Sir John de Steyngreve or Stonegrave of Stonegrave (d before 25.04.1295)
  m. (before 1273) Ida Wake (dau of Baldwin Wake of Bourne and Liddell)
  A. Isabel de Steyngrave (d by 1324) H
  m1. (after 01.1286/7) Simon de Pateshulle of Bletsoe (d before 02.12.1295) H
  m2. Walter de Teye



?? de St. Amand
m. ?? de Verdun (dau of Walter de Verdun, Sheriff of Essex and Herfordshire) were probably parents of ...
1. Amauri or Almaric de St. Amand, Sheriff of Herefordshire (d 1240)
  m1. ??
  m2. Iseult Pantulf (dau of William Pantulf of Breedon)
  Not known which wife was mother of ...
  A. Ralph de St. Amand (d before 28.07.1245)
  m. (06.1234) Asceline de Albini (dau of Robert, son of Robert Daubeney or de Albini of Caynho)
i. Amauri or Almaric de St. Amand (d 1285)
  a. Guy de St. Amand (b c1268, dsp before 28.10.1827)
  m. Lucy
  b. Amauri de St. Amand, Mayor of Bordeaux, Lord St. Amand (b 03.1268/9, dsp 29.07.1310)
  m. Mary (d before 11.04.1333)
  c. John de St. Amand, 1st Lord (d before 25.01.1329/30)
  m. (c12.1313) Margaret Despenser (dau of Hugh le Despenser, Earl of Winchester)
(1) Amauri de St. Amand, 2nd Lord (b c1314, d 11.09.1381)
  m. Eleanor
  (A) Amauri de St. Amand, 3rd Lord (b c1341, d 13.06.1402)
  m1. (by 02.1368/9) Ida (a 1387)
(i) Sir Amauri de St. Amand (dvpsp 1401)
  m. Joan
  (ii) John de St. Amand (dvpsp)
  (iii) Eleanor de St. Amand (d 24.12.1389)
  m. Sir Gerard de Braybrooke (d 1429)
  One of their grandsons became the 1st (Beauchamp) Lord St. Amand.
  m2. (c1390) Eleanor Lavynton (d 17.05.1426, dau of Richard Lavynton (of St. Elen?))
  (iv) Ida de St. Amand (b 06.05.1392, d before 06.11.1416)
  m. (before 02.07.1406) Sir Thomas West, 2nd Lord (b 1392, dsp 30.09.1416)
  (B) Isabel de St. Amand (a 1355) probably of this generation
  m1. (before 16.12.1330) Sir Richard de Haudlo or Hadlo 'of Hadlow & Boarstall Castle'
  m2. Sir Robert Ildesle
  d. Hawise de St. Amand
  m. (c1270) Simon de Montacute (d 1315)
  e. Eleanor de St. Amand
  m. Robert de Kaynes
  f. Thomas de St. Amand
  ii. Margery de St. Amand (d 1308) probably of this generation
  m. Sir Phillip Fettiplace (d 1302)
2.+ other issue - William, Guy



John Shorter of Staines, Middlesex (d by 1614)
m. Elizabeth
1. William Shorter of Colebrook
  A. William Shorter
2. John Shorter of Staines
  m. Susan Forbis (dau of Richard Forbis alias Forbanch of Send) ## see here ##
  A. Richard Shorter of St. George's in Southwark (b c1606, a 1674)
  m. Mary Whiting of Stanwell
  i. Charles Shorter (b c1653, a 1674)
  B. Sir John Shorter of Christ Church in Southwark, Sheriff then Lord Mayor of London (b c1624, d 04.09.1688)
  m. Isabella Birkin (b 1630-1, d 01.1703, dau of John Birkin of Crosthwaite in Borrowdale)
  i. John Shorter of Bybrook, Kent (b c1660, a 1688)
  m. (c 07.1681) Elizabeth Philipps (b 1661-2, bur 30.07.1728, dau of Sir Erasmus Philipps, Bart)
  a. Katherine Shorter (b c1682, d 20.08.1737)
  m. (1700) Sir Robert Walpole, Prime Minister, 1st Earl of Orford (b 26.08.1676, d 18.03.1745)
  b. Charlotte Shorter (d 12.02.1733-4)
  m. (07.1716) Francis Seymour-Conway, 1st Lord Conway (b 28.05.1679, d 03.02.1731-2)
  c.+ other issue - John (a 1718, dsp), Arthur (d unm 1753), Erasmus (dsp 23.11.1753)
  ii. Thomas Shorter (a 1688)
  C. Charles Shorter of St. Saviour's in Southwark (a 1688)
  m. Susan Theobald (dau of Peter Theobald of Canterbury)
  i.+ issue - John (a 1688), Charles, Peter, William, Joshua, Caleb, Mary, Hannah (a 1688)
3. Elizabeth Shorter
  m. (c03.1614) William Walton of Staines (cordwainer)

Main source(s):
(1) For Somery (uploaded 22.07.03) : TCP (Somery)
(2) For Steyngreve : TCP (Steyngreve) with input from www.geneajourney.com
(3) For St. Amand (uploaded 17.04.04) : TCP (Saint Amand), BE1883 (St. Amand)
(4) For Shorter (uploaded 02.03.09) : Visitation (London, 1664, Shorter)
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