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'Montgomery01' Families covered: Montgomery of Arundel, Montgomery of Shrewsbury, Counts of Ponthieu The ancestry shown for Hugh, progenitor of this family, is given in the 'Ancient & Mythical' section of this database and should not be taken as fully reliable. TCP starts with Roger (the 1st shown below) and reports that his wife was Josceline, a niece of the duchess Gunnor. If Roger's mother was Sainfrie, which (although we follow various sources in showing that to have been the case) is not certain, that would make Josceline his 1st cousin. If Josceline's mother was not Wevia de Crepon then Gunnor & Wevia's sister Sainfrie may have been her mother which would have made it impossible for her also to have been wife of the following Hugh. Clarity is not helped by the fact that there appears to be some confusion between the following Hugh and his son Roger. td 14 2b....ancienttzviking02.php#linklo target=_selfHugh de Montgomeri (d 1034)ab td 14 2....continentccczvar01.php#linkhi target=_selfm. (??) Sibell (or Sainfrie) de Crepon (sister of Gunnora, Duchess of Normandy) a 5 21. td 13 2Roger (not Hugh), Sn de Montgomery (a 1028) 5  td 13 2m. Josceline (....continentccczvar01.php#joscniece of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandya) redpossibly dau of ..gggiffard01.php#linklo target=_selfWevia de Crepon by Osberne de Bolbeca or of ..bb4aebeaumont01.php#linklo'Wevia' (sb Duvelina?) de Crepon by Turulf de Pont-Audemera 5  5 2A. td 12 2Roger de Montgomery, Governor of Normandy, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury and Arundel (d 27.07.1094, 3rd son) td 2  td 12 2....continentopponthieu1.php#linklo target=_selfm1. (c1052) Mabel de Talvas (d 02.12.1079, dau of William de Talvas, Sn d'Alencon and Belleme)a td 2a name=link2a 5 2i. td 11 2Robert de Belleme de Montgomery, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury and Arundel (b c1056, d c1132, 2nd son) td 3  td 11 2font Robert's younger brother Hugh was the 2nd Earl. td 3  td 11 2m1. Almadis de la Marche (b c1058, d 1116, dau of Alberic III, Count de la Marche) font not mentioned by TCP td 3  5 2a. td 10 2Adelbert III de Montgomery (b 1079) td 4  5 2(1) td 8 2Ponce de Montgomery (b 1109) 10div align=center 1EGHJSYdiv td 515  td 815 2....continentqrstutaillefer1.php#link1 target=_selfm. Wulgrim II Taillefer, Count of Angoulemea 1015div align=center 1EGHJSYdiv td 3  td 11 2....continentopponthieu1.php#link2 target=_selfm2. (before 09.09.1087) Agnes of Ponthieu (d before 1103, dau of Guy I, Count of Ponthieu)a td 3  5 2b. td 10 2William Talvas 'of Shrewsbury', Count of Ponthieu (b c1106, d 30.06.1171) td 4  td 10 2....continentbbburgundy2.php#link3 target=_selfm. (1115) AlissHelie de Bourgogne 'Ela Borel' (b 1080, d 1142, dau of Eudes I Borel, Duke of Burgundy)a td 4a name=link3a td 10 2 Whilst the parentage of AlaEla is well supported, eg. by TCP (Surrey), the following information on the successor Counts of Ponthieu comes from various web sites. td 4  5 2(1) td 9 2Guy II, Count of Ponthieu (d 1147) td 515  td 915 2m. Ida td 515  td height=15 2(A) td 815 2Jean I, Count of Ponthieu (b c1140, d 30.06.1191) td 615  td 815font 2 face=....continentqrstuszvar01.php#pol2 target=_selfm. Beatrice de St. Pol (dau of Anselme, Count de St. Pol)a td 615a name=link4a td height=15font 2 face=(i) td 715 2William III Talvas, Count of Ponthieu and Montruil (b c1177, d 1221) td 715  td 715font 2 face=....continentcccapet02.php#link2 target=_selfm. Alix de France, Countess de Vexin (b 1170, dau of Louis VII, King of France)a td 715  td height=15font 2 face=(a) td 515 2Marie of Ponthieu (b 17.04.1199, d 09.1250) 10 div align=center 1GHJSWYdiv td 815  td 515font 2 face=....continentdefgdammartin1.php#damm2 target=_selfm. Simon de Dammartin, Count of Ponthieu (d 21.09.1239)a 10 div align=center 1GHJSWYdiv td 615  td height=15font 2 face=(ii) td 715 2Adela of Ponthieu (d 15.11.1251) td 715  td 715font 2 face=m. (1178) Thomas de St. Valery td 715  td height=15font 2 face= (a) td 515 2 Alienor, Dame de Saint-Valery, etc (b 1192, d 15.11.1250) 10 div align=centerfont 2font 2font 1font 1GHfont 1JSdiv td 815  td 515font 2 face= ....continentdefgdreux1.php#link4 target=_selfm. (1210) Robert III, Count de Dreux et de Braine (b 1185, d 03.03.1234)a 10 div align=centerfont 2font 2font 1font 1GHfont 1JSdiv td 4  5 2(2) td 8 2Ala (Ela) Talvas (d 04.10.1174) 10 div align=center 1HJYdiv td 5  td 8 2..wwwarren01.php#linkhi target=_selfm1. William de Warrenne, Earl of Warrenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey (a 1147)a 10 div align=center 1HJYdiv td 5  td 8 2..xyzzzmisc01.php#salis1 target=_selfm2. (1152) Patrick FitzWalter, 1st Earl of Salisbury (d c07.04.1168)a 10 div align=center 1HJYdiv td 3a name=link1a 5 2c. td 9 2Rissa de Montgomery div align=centerfont 1 face=Hdiv td 4  td 9 2..bb4aeberkeley01.php#top target=_selfm. Roger de Berkeley (d 1170)a div align=centerfont 1 face=Hdiv td 2  5 2ii. td 11 2Hugh de Montgomery, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury and Arundel (b c1056, d unm c31.07.1098) td 3  td 11font 2 face=Various web sites show that Hugh had an illegitimate son ... td 3  2a. td 9 2strong..zwrkmontgomery09.php#topRalph Montgomery of Cubley (Derbyshire) & Ecton (Northamptonshire) (a 1086) astrong div align=center 1Ydiv td 2  5 2iii. td 11 2Arnulf de Montgomery, lord of Pembroke, 'Cimbricus' (b c1060, d 1125) td 3  td 11 2..ooobrien01.php#top target=_selfm. (1101) Lafracoth O'Brien (dau of Murtagh O'Brien, Lord of Munster)a td 36  56 2a. td 96 2Alice de Montgomery 10 div align=center 1Ydiv td 4  td 9 2..fffitzmaurice1.php#top target=_selfm. Maurice FitzGerald, Lord of Maynooth and Naas (b 1100, d 01.09.1176)a 10 div align=center 1Ydiv td 3  td 11 2 Arnulf is alleged to have been either the father or the grandfather of .... td 36a name=linkloa 56 2b. td 96 2bmontgomery02.php#top target=_selfRobert de Montgomerie ('de Mundegumri'), 1st of Eaglesham (d c1179)ab 106 div align=center 1Jdiv td 4  td 9 2m. Marjory FitzAlan (dau of Walter FitzAlan, 1st Hereditary High Steward) 10 div align=center 1Jdiv td 2  5 2iv. td 10 2Matilda (Maud) de Montgomery 106 div align=center 1 HJYdiv td 3  td 10 2..bb4fzburgh01.php#top target=_selfm. Robert de Burgh, Count of MoretonMortain (in Normandy), Earl of Cornwall (a 1068)a 10 div align=center 1 HJYdiv td 2  5 2v. td 11 2Mabel de Montgomery td 3  td 11 2m. Hugh 'of Neuf Chattel', lord of Chateauneuf-en-Thimerais td 2  2vi. td 10 2Sybil de Montgomery div align=center 1GHJRSYdiv td 3  td 10 2....continentmnnormans1.php#dentat target=_selfm. Robert FitzHamon of Gloucester (d 1107)a td height=15div align=center 1GHJRSYdiv td 2  2vii.+ td 11 2other issue - Roger (dvp), Roger 'the Poitevin' (d 1123), Philip d 'Grammaticus' (d Antioch 1099), Emma (Abbess of Almeneches) td 2  td 12 2m2. Adelaide de Puiset (dau of Everard de Puiset) td 2  5 2xi. td 11 2Everard de Montgomery (chaplain to William Rufus and Henry I)   2B. td 12 2Mabel de Montgomery td 2  td 12 2m. Gervase de Chateauneuf td 2  font 2 face=i. td 11font 2 face=Hugh de Chateauneuf 5  5 2C.+ td 12 2other issue (d before 1064) - Hugh, Robert, William, Gilbert table p 2Main sources:br (1) RoyalData with some support from TCP (Shrewsbury).br (2) The Origin and History of the Montgomeries by BG de Montgomery (1948). br (3) 'Genealogy of Grahams' (see '..gggraham06.php#sources target=_selfGraham06a').br #topBack to top of pagea p ?php ?