'Thweng1'Index
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Families covered:
Thwenge of Cornburgh (Corneburgh), Thwenge of Heworth, Thweng or Thwenge of Kilton, Thwenge of Over Helmsley, Thwenge of Southburn
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| Robert de Thweng of Legsby (a 1130) | |||||||||||||||
| 1. | Robert FitzRobert de Thweng (a 1164, d c1190) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Emma (sister of Duncan Darel of Lund) | |||||||||||||||
| A. | Sir Marmaduke de Thweng or Thwenge (b 1164, d 1235) | ||||||||||||||
| Walker (which also named his mother as an Emma) and BE1883 identify his wife as Emma, sister of Duncan Darell, but we follow TCP in showing that Emma as Marmaduke's mother. | |||||||||||||||
| i. | Sir Robert de Thweng (b 1202, d 1247) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Maud de Kilton (d 06.1279, dau of Roger de Kilton, brother of William, widow of Sir Richard de Autrey) | |||||||||||||||
| a. | Sir Marmaduke de Thweng of Kilton (b 1225, d c1283) | ||||||||||||||
| Walker identifies Marmaduke's wife as dau of Peter de Brus by Helewise, dau of Peter de Merley, and sister/coheir of her brother Peter. As shown on Bruce01, we follow BE1883 (Lancaster) and other sources which show the Peter who married Hilary (not Helewise) de Merley as having dsp and TCP (Thweng) which shows this Lucy as ... | |||||||||||||||
| m. (c1242) Lucy Brus (b 1216, d after 1282, dau of Peter de Brus of Skelton by Hawise de Lancaster) | |||||||||||||||
| (1) | Robert de Thweng of Kilton & Kirkleatham (dvp 05.1279) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. (before 12.1265) Alice de Merlay (b c1257, d before 07.02.1267/8, dau of Roger de Merlay of Morpeth) | |||||||||||||||
| p/m2. (1271) Matilda Hansard (dau of Sir Robert Hansard) | |||||||||||||||
| (A) | Lucy de Thweng (b 24.03.1278/9, d 08.01.1346/7) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. (before 20.04.1295, div before 22.07.1312) William de Latimer, 2nd Lord (d 27.02.1326/7) | |||||||||||||||
| m2. (before 29.01.1312/3) Sir Robert de Everingham of Everingham (dsp before 04.04.1316) | |||||||||||||||
| m3. (1320) Sir Bartholomew de Fancourt or Fanacourt (dsp 1352) | |||||||||||||||
| p. Nicholas de Meinill, 2nd Lord (b 06.12.1274, d unm 26.04.1332) | |||||||||||||||
| (B)+ ?? | other issue - Marmaduke, Robert (priest) | ||||||||||||||
| (2) | Marmaduke de Thweng, 1st Lord (b 09.1256, d 04.1322) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (1273) Isabel de Ros (d 1309, dau of Sir William de Ros of Ingmanthorpe) | |||||||||||||||
| (A) | Marmaduke de Thweng (b 1274, dvp Stirling Bridge 11.09.1297) | ||||||||||||||
| (B) | William de Thweng, 2nd Lord (b 1276, dsp 25.02.1340) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Catherine de Furnivalle (d 1349, dau of Thomas de Furnivalle, 1st Lord) | |||||||||||||||
| (C) | Robert de Thweng, 3rd Lord (b 1277, dsp unm 22/5.04.1344, parson) | ||||||||||||||
| (D) | Thomas de Thweng, 4th Lord (b 1283, dsp unm 28.05.1374, rector of Kirkleatham) | ||||||||||||||
| (E) | Lucy de Thweng | ||||||||||||||
| m. Robert de Lumley (d before 20.07.1325) | |||||||||||||||
| (F) | Margaret de Thweng | ||||||||||||||
| m. Robert de Hylton of Swyne, 'Lord Hilton' | |||||||||||||||
| (G) | Katherine de Thweng (b 1285) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (1303) Sir Ralph Daubeney, 2nd Lord (a 1343) | |||||||||||||||
| (H) | Maud de Thweng | ||||||||||||||
| Walker shows a daughter Maud as married to Sir John Hotham and mother of another John (b 1344, a 1401). This appears to be wrong. TSP (Thweng) identifies the Maud who married that Sir John as a daughter of the above Margaret de Thweng and Robert de Hylton. | |||||||||||||||
| (I)+ | other issue - John (b 1284, d 03.01.1361, prior of Bridlington), Nicholas (b 1286) | ||||||||||||||
| (3) | Sir John de Thwenge (b 1261, d 02.12.1330, 4th son) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Joan de Mauley (d 13.07.1347, dau of Sir Robert de Mauley) | |||||||||||||||
| (A) | Sir Edmund de Thwenge of Cornburgh (Corneburgh) & Southburn (d 15.10.1344) | ||||||||||||||
| Sir Edmund, married to Alice Helmesley, is identified by BE1883 as Edward of a generation earlier (Sir John not being mentioned). We follow Walker as showing him as son of Sir John but note an element of caution as Walker shows Margery, who married Ralph, Lord Neville, twice, both as sister and as daughter of Sir John. | |||||||||||||||
| m1. (by 1320) Alice de Helmesley (dau of Walter de Helmesley) | |||||||||||||||
| Walker follows the line of John, shown as Sir Edmund's son by Isabel Constable. Visitation (Foster 1875, Yorkshire, 1584/5+1612, Witham of Cliffe) reports that John had an elder brother Marmaduke. It is presumed that this was the following Marmaduke and that his mother was Alice de Helmesley. | |||||||||||||||
| (i) | Marmaduke Thwenge of Over Helmsley | ||||||||||||||
| (a) | ?? Thwenge | ||||||||||||||
| Uncertain on number of intervening generations. | |||||||||||||||
| ((1)) | ?? Thwenge | ||||||||||||||
| ((A)) | Marmaduke Thwenge of Over Helmsley - continued below | ||||||||||||||
| m. Dorothy Redman (dau of _ Redman of Bossall) | |||||||||||||||
| m2. Isabel Constable (d 1346, dau of Sir Robert Constable of Flamborough by Katherine Mauley) | |||||||||||||||
| (ii) | John Thwenge of Cornburgh & Southburn (d before 16.10.1369) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. Joan (d 1346) | |||||||||||||||
| (a)+ | issue | ||||||||||||||
| m2. Margaret (a 05.1370) | |||||||||||||||
| (b) | Marmaduke Thwenge of Cornburgh & Southburn (d 01.01.1426) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Elena (dau before 20.01.1391) | |||||||||||||||
| ((1)) | William Thwenge of Cornburgh & Southburn (d 1436) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Joan | |||||||||||||||
| ((A)) | Agnes Thwenge (d 24.10.1495) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (1432) Thomas Witham, Chancellor of the Exchequer (dsp 1481 | |||||||||||||||
| ((B)) | Alice Thwenge | ||||||||||||||
| m. Sir Henry Witham (dsp, brother of Thomas) | |||||||||||||||
| (c) | Alice Thwenge | ||||||||||||||
| m. John Wawton of Cliff | |||||||||||||||
| (d) | Joan Thwenge (d 1369) | ||||||||||||||
| m. John Westropp of Brompton | |||||||||||||||
| (4) | Margaret or Margery de Thweng (b 1276) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (sp) Ralph de Nevill, 1st Lord of Raby (d 1331) | |||||||||||||||
| (5)+ | other issue - Gawain (b 1259, a 1294), Edmund (b 1263, parson of Kirk Deighton), Richard (b 1267), Peter (b 1270), William (b 1273), Roger (b 1274), Hillaric (b 1258), Matilda (b 1265), Johanna (b 1271) | ||||||||||||||
| b. | Sir Richard de Thwenge of Mickelby (b 1240, d 1304) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Margaret (d before 1315) | |||||||||||||||
| (1) | Robert de Thwenge | ||||||||||||||
| c.+ | other issue - Thomas, Gawen (parson in Kendal), Robert | ||||||||||||||
| ii. | Richard de Thwenge (rector of Ripley) | ||||||||||||||
| iii. | Cecilia de Thwenge | ||||||||||||||
| m. (1227) William Constable (son of Robert of Holderness by Agnes d'Oyri) | |||||||||||||||
| iv. | Alice de Thwenge | ||||||||||||||
| m. John Oketon (son of John) | |||||||||||||||
| B. | William de Thwenge | ||||||||||||||
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| Marmaduke Thwenge of Over Helmsley - continued above | |||||||||||||||
| m. Dorothy Redman (dau of _ Redman of Bossall) | |||||||||||||||
| 1. | George Thwenge of Over Helmsley | ||||||||||||||
| m. Anne Thwaytes (dau of ?? Thwaytes of Marston) | |||||||||||||||
| A. | John Thwenge of Over Helmsley | ||||||||||||||
| m. Maude Grimston (dau of Thomas Grimston of Grimston) | |||||||||||||||
| i. | Marmaduke Thwenge of Over Helmsley (b c1562, a 1584) | ||||||||||||||
| ii.+ | other issue - William, Anne, Margery | ||||||||||||||
| B. | Thomas Thwenge of Heworth | ||||||||||||||
| m. Jane Kellet of York | |||||||||||||||
| i. | William Thwenge of Heworth (a 1612) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Jane Ormsby (dau of Richard Ormsby of Leigh) | |||||||||||||||
| a.+ | issue (a 1612) - George (b c1600), Edward, Augustus, Margaret | ||||||||||||||
| ii.+ | other issue - Edward, Thomas, Robert, Thomasin, Elizabeth, Anne, Mary, Edith | ||||||||||||||
| C. | Ingram Thwenge | ||||||||||||||
| D. | Margery Thwenge | ||||||||||||||
| m. Robert Thornton of East Newton | |||||||||||||||
| E. | Katherine Thwenge | ||||||||||||||
| m. Ralph Thwenge of Heslarton | |||||||||||||||
| F. | Jane Thwenge | ||||||||||||||
| m. Robert Withes | |||||||||||||||
| 2. | Christopher Thwenge of Hugget-on-ye-Wolde (a 1584) | ||||||||||||||
| A. | Isabell Thwenge | ||||||||||||||
| B. | Katherine Thwenge | ||||||||||||||
| m. James Conyers | |||||||||||||||
| 3. | Dorothy Thwenge (nun) | ||||||||||||||
Main sources:
(1) For upper section :
TCP
(Thweng), BE1883 (Thweng), Walker's Yorkshire Pedigrees (1942, Thwenge of Kilton)
(2) For lower section :
Visitation (Foster 1875, Yorkshire, 1584/5+1612, Thweng of Over Helmsley)
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