'Ramsay04'
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Families covered: Ramsay of Abbotshall, Ramsay of Balmain, Ramsay of Corston (Corstoun), Ramsay of Waughton
| Most of the following upper section should be viewed with caution. Wikipedia ('John Ramsay, 1st Lord Bothwell', 28.07.25) reports that John Ramsay of Corstoun, (probable) father of Lord Bothwell, was "kin to the Ramsays of Carnock otherwise Pitcruvie". | |||||||||||||||
| John Ramsay of Corstoun, Fife | |||||||||||||||
| m. Margaret Sinclair (dau of William Sinclair, 1st of Dryden (who d 1468), she m2. Edmund Chisholm of Cromlix) possibly parents of ... | |||||||||||||||
| 1. | John Ramsay of Corstoun | ||||||||||||||
| m/p. Janet Napier (m. John Wilson of Edinburgh, "presumed to be of the Merchiston Napiers") | |||||||||||||||
| (1) Wikipedia reports that John & Janet were parents of the undermentioned John, Lord Bothwell. Wikipedia also suggests that John, Lord Bothwell, was regarded as "low-born" which might be seen as indicating that either his parentage was not 'impressive' or that he (or his father) was illegitimate. TCP ('Bothwell') reports that John's "paternity is unknown" but does mention John & Janet as a possibility. (2) The following comes from cross-references from elsewhere in the database. We speculate that John, Lord Bothwell, had an elder brother ... |
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| A. | William Ramsay of Corston probably of this generation | ||||||||||||||
| m. Jean Moncreiff (dau of William Moncreiffe (b c1526, dvp c04.1574) ## see here (dates?) ##, possibly parents of ... | |||||||||||||||
| i. | John Ramsay of Corston | ||||||||||||||
| m. (before 1563) Euphame Carmichael (dau of David Carmichael, 5th of Balmedie, m1. Peter Balmanno) | |||||||||||||||
| a. | Janet Ramsay (heiress) probably of this generation | ||||||||||||||
| m. (mcrt 08-10.11.1580) James Ramsay, later of Corston | |||||||||||||||
| B. | Sir John Ramsay 'of Balmain' of Trarinzean, Lord Bothwell (b 1464, d Flodden 09.09.1513) | ||||||||||||||
| John was a favourite of King James III but, following the assassination of that king, his title was forfeited by Parliament. | |||||||||||||||
| m1. (1484) Isabel Cant | |||||||||||||||
| m2. (before 15.03.1504-5, div before 02.1507-8) Janet Kennedy (dau of John Kennedy, 2nd Lord) | |||||||||||||||
| m3. Isobel Livingston (d before 11.1552, dau of Livingston of Easter Wemyss) | |||||||||||||||
| i. | William Ramsay 'of Balmain' (b before 1510) | ||||||||||||||
| The main Strachan source identifies the following Margaret as William's wife and mother of David. However, we are uncertain on the number of intervening generations. BP1934 mentions Lord Bothwell (above) but, other than to confirm that he (David) was descended from him (Lord Bothwell), commences its pedigree with the David Ramsay (below) who married Margaret Ogilvie. The following 2 generations are speculative inasmuch as, although it seems certain that David & William were of this family, it is not known whether they were grandparent/parent of the David who married Margaret Ogilvie or some other connection (such as uncle). | |||||||||||||||
| m. Margaret Strachan (dau of Sir Alexander Strachan of Thornton) | |||||||||||||||
| a. | ?? Ramsay | ||||||||||||||
| (1) | David Ramsay of Balmain (b 1534?, a 08.1588, d 1625?) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Catharine Carnegie (dau of Sir Robert Carnegie, 5th of Kinnaird) possibly parents of ... | |||||||||||||||
| (A) | William Ramsay of Balmain possibly father of ... | ||||||||||||||
| (i) | David Ramsay of Balmain (d 1636) - continued below | ||||||||||||||
| m. Margaret Ogilvie (dau of Sir Gilbert Ogilvie of that ilk) | |||||||||||||||
| (B) | Elizabeth Ramsay probably of this generation | ||||||||||||||
| m. John Middleton of Netherseat and Kilhill (d c1603) | |||||||||||||||
| (C) | Jean Ramsay probably of this generation | -- | |||||||||||||
| m. Alexander Durham, 3rd of Pittkerrow (d by 1621) | -- | ||||||||||||||
| ii. | Margaret Ramsay probably of this generation | ||||||||||||||
| m. William Strachan of Monboddo | |||||||||||||||
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| David Ramsay of Balmain (d 1636) - continued above | |||||||||||||||
| m. Margaret Ogilvie (dau of Sir Gilbert Ogilvie of that ilk) | |||||||||||||||
| 1. | Sir Gilbert Ramsay, 1st Bart of Balmain (a 1651) | ||||||||||||||
| m(2?). (1630) Grizel Durham (d 09.1666, dau of James Durham of Pitkerrow) | |||||||||||||||
| A. | Sir David Ramsay, 2nd Bart of Balmain (d 09.1673) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. Margaret Carnegie (dau of Sir James (sb John?) Carnegie of Balnamoon) @@xref | |||||||||||||||
| i. | Sir Charles Ramsay, 3rd Bart of Balmain (d 1695) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. (mcrt 1673) Margaret Carnegie (dsp, dau of John Carnegie of Boysack) | |||||||||||||||
| m2. Elizabeth Falconer (dau of Sir Alexander Falconer of Glenfarquhar) | |||||||||||||||
| a. | Sir David Ramsay, 4th Bart of Balmain (dsp 09.1710) | ||||||||||||||
| b. | Sir Alexander Ramsay, 5th Bart of Balmain (d unm 27.01.1754) | ||||||||||||||
| c. | Charles Ramsay (d 1727) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Catherine Mill (dau of James Mill, Provost of Montrose) | |||||||||||||||
| (1) | Sir Alexander Ramsay, later Irvine-Ramsay, 6th Bart of Balmain (d unm 11.02.1806) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (09.12.1774) Mary Irvine (dau of Alexander Irvine, 2nd of Saphock) | |||||||||||||||
| (2) | Catherine Ramsay (d 10.12.1798) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Sir Thomas Burnett, 6th Bart of Leys (d 05.1783) | |||||||||||||||
| Their second son inherited Balmain and assumed the name of Ramsay. He was created a baronet in 1806. | |||||||||||||||
| d. | Helen Ramsay probably of this generation | ||||||||||||||
| m. (1707) Hercules Scott of Brotherton (b 1659, d 1747) | |||||||||||||||
| ii. | Mary Ramsay possibly of this generation | ||||||||||||||
| m. James Strachan of Monboddo (b c1597, d 06.01.1651) | |||||||||||||||
| m2. Elizabeth Coutts (widow of Sir Alexander Burnett, 2nd Bart) | |||||||||||||||
| iii. | Elizabeth Ramsay possibly of this generation, presumed of this marriage | ||||||||||||||
| m. Andrew Middleton of Pitgarvie, afterwards of Balbegno (d 07.1699) | |||||||||||||||
| B. | ?? Ramsay probably of this generation | ||||||||||||||
| i. | John Ramsay | ||||||||||||||
| m. Christian Ramsay (dau of Gilbert Ramsay by Katherine, dau/coheir of Andrew Kerr of Kippilaw) | |||||||||||||||
| a. | Mary Ramsay (d 17.03.1820) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (1792) George Simson of Pitcorthie | |||||||||||||||
| C. | Agnes Ramsay possibly of this generation | ||||||||||||||
| m. John Leslie, 7th of Pitcaple (d 1651) | |||||||||||||||
| 2. | Andrew Ramsay, later of Woodstoun, Kincardineshire (b c1574, d 30.12.1659, minister of Greyfriars, Edinburgh, younger son) probably of this generation | ||||||||||||||
| Andrew was originally (by 24.06.08) shown a generation earlier as he had been identified in an article in Wikipedia ("Lord Abbotshall") as a younger son of William Ramsay of Balmain. That appears to have been revised as by 06.07.17 Wikipedia ("Andrew Ramsay, Lord Abbotshall") was showing him as son of David (1534-1625) & Katherine Carnegie (i.e. 2 generations earlier than as shown here). Macfarlane, the source on his wife, identifies him as son of Sir David whilst 'Fife (P&H') also suggests that he was a younger son of David of Balmain. We follow TCB (vol 4, 'Ramsay of Abbotshall', p273, note (b)) in showing him as younger brother of Sir Gilbert, 1st Bart of Balmain. | |||||||||||||||
| m. Mary Frazer (dau of Alexander Frazer of Dores (Fraser of Durris)) | |||||||||||||||
| The following was developed from 'Fife (P&H)' (vol 2, p118+). | |||||||||||||||
| A. | ?? Ramsay (brother of Sir Andrew) | ||||||||||||||
| i. | Andrew Ramsay of Woodstoun, later also of Abbotshall | ||||||||||||||
| 'Fife (P&H)' reports that Abbotshall was sold in 1725 but is not clear that it had remained in this family until that time. | |||||||||||||||
| a. | ?? Ramsay | ||||||||||||||
| Uncertain on number of intervening generations. | |||||||||||||||
| (1) | David Ramsay of Prestonpans | ||||||||||||||
| TCB (vol 4, 'Ramsay of Abbotshall', p273) identifies the father of the following James as probably descended from a brother of the Bart of Abbotshall. We speculate that he was of this line. | |||||||||||||||
| (A) | James Ramsay in Barbadoes (dsp 1807) | ||||||||||||||
| TCB (vol 2, 'Ramsay of Balmain', p302) suggests that a James "whose parentage and descent is unknown ... served himself [sic] heir to the 1st Baronet". He was followed by his brother ... | |||||||||||||||
| (B) | "Sir' Thomas Ramsay of Edinburgh (b c1765, dspm 1830) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. (29.06.1809) Anne Steele of London (dau of Rev. _ Steele of Jamaica) | |||||||||||||||
| m2. (1819) Elizabeth Macdonnell (b c1777, d 07.10.1859, dau of Duncan Macdonnell of Glengarry (by Margery, dau of Sir Ludovick Grant, 6th Bart of Dalvey), widow of William Chisholm of Chisholm) | |||||||||||||||
| B. | Sir Andrew Ramsay, Lord Provost of Edinburgh (b 05.1619, d 17.01.1680?, member of the Court of Session as Lord Abbotshall, 3rd son) | ||||||||||||||
| Wikipedia shows this Andrew (d 17.01.1688) as the Lord Provost, Lord Abbotshall, 1st Bart, husband of Janet Craw & father of Andrew (a 1722, m. Margaret Hepburn). BEB1841 shows the Lord Provost & 1st Bart as father (wife not named) of Andrew (Lord Abbotshall, d 1642) father (by the Hepburn heiress) of Andrew (dsp 1709, m. Anne Montgomerie). TCB (vol 4, 'Ramsay of Abbotshall', p273) shows Andrew (Lord Provost & Lord Abbotshall) as father by Janet Craw of Andrew (m. Anne Montgomerie) who was created a baronet on 23.06.1669. 'Fife (P&H)' confirms that it was his son who was created a baronet in 1699 (albeit showing 23.01.1699) and reports that "It is stated by several writers that Sir Andrew Ramsay died at Abbotshall on 17th January 1688, but this seems to be an error, as his son, Sir Andrew Ramsay of Waughton, was retoured in the lands of Abbotshall as heir to his father on 19th Mary, 1680." Sir Andrew's daughters are identified in the Wikipedia article. | |||||||||||||||
| m. Janet Craw (d 10.1699, dau of James Craw of Gunsgreen by Janet Williamson) | |||||||||||||||
| i. | Sir Andrew Ramsay of Waughton, Bart of Abbotshall (bpt 24.12.1648, dsps 1709, MP) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. Margaret Hepburn (b 1650, d 1672, dau/heir of John Hepburn of Waughton) | |||||||||||||||
| m2. Anne Montgomerie (dau of Hugh Montgomerie, 7th Earl of Eglinton, by Mary Leslie) | |||||||||||||||
| ii. | Janet Ramsay | ||||||||||||||
| m. (1669) Sir John Lauder (Lord Fountainhall) | |||||||||||||||
| iii. | Helen Ramsay | ||||||||||||||
| m. (mcrt 22.12.1687) Alexander Hay of Monkton | |||||||||||||||
| iv. | Margaret Ramsay | ||||||||||||||
| m. George Home of Whitfield (d 1739) | |||||||||||||||
| 3. | Marie Ramsay possibly of this generation | ||||||||||||||
| m1. James Strachan, 1st of Inchtuthill | |||||||||||||||
| m2. Alexander Buchan of Auchmacoy (d before 04.08.1669) | |||||||||||||||
| 4. | Isabel Ramsay possibly of this generation | ||||||||||||||
| m. (1642) James Douglas of Tilquhillie (d 1672) | |||||||||||||||
Main source(s): BP1934 ('Ramsay of Balmain') with input as reported above
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