'Lumsden2'
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Families covered: Lumsden (Lumisdaine or Lumsdaine) of Innergellie (Innergelly), Lumsdaine of Lathallan, Lumisdaine (Lumsdaine) of Lumisdaine (Lumsdaine), Lumisdaine of Rennyhill, Lumisdaine of Stravithie
This family is still being researched. It has NOT yet been launched formally into the Database but is shown here as DRAFT in the hope that one or more visitors to the site will contribute information that will enable us to develop this page to an acceptable standard.
First displayed: 16.09.17Last updated: 03.08.22Back to 'Can You Help ?'
[The lower section of this page was first prepared using Wood's 'East Neuk of Fife'. In late July-early August 2022, the upper section was added using 'Memorials' and the lower section was then reviewed & amended. Efforts to raise the standard of the page to enable it to be promoted into the main database were given up on 03.08.22 because, as indicated below, we were unable to clarify various issues of uncertainty. Whilst we hope to clarify them in due course, we are not convinced that we will be able (or have time) to do so!]
| (1) Wood uses 'Lumisdaine' as the family name whereas 'Memorials' and most other sources use the modern 'Lumsden'. We have not yet tried to be consistent on this. (2) houseoflumsden.com (see here) contains interesting information on this family. A short (incomplete) look at that site suggests that there was a distant connection betwen the following branch and that shown on Lumsden1. However, whilst the site certainly has much to offer to anyone who is interested in this family, it appears not to provide any pedigrees that will allow us either to make that connection properly or to clarify the following to any significant extent. |
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| Gilbert de Lumsden (a 1249, 1263) probably father of ... | |||||||||||||||
| 1. | Adam de Lumsden (a 1255, 1292) | ||||||||||||||
| A. | Roger de Lumsden (a 1296, d by 1329) | ||||||||||||||
| B. | Gilbert de Lumsden | ||||||||||||||
| i. | Gilbert de Lumsden of Lumsden | ||||||||||||||
| m. ??, heiress of Blanerne | |||||||||||||||
| a. | Adam Lumsden of Lumsden (a 1347) | ||||||||||||||
| 'Memorials' indicates uncertainty as to the connection between the above early generations and the later generations of this family. It is therefore speculation to show that Adam was ancestor of ... | |||||||||||||||
| (1) | ?? Lumsden | ||||||||||||||
| Uncertain on number of intervening generations. | |||||||||||||||
| (A) | ?? Lumsden | ||||||||||||||
| m. Margaret | |||||||||||||||
| (i) | Thomas Lumsden of West Lumsden (d by 1438) | ||||||||||||||
| (a) | Alexander Lumsden of West Lumsden (d by 1444) | ||||||||||||||
| (b) | Thomas Lumsden of West Lumsden (d by 1453) | ||||||||||||||
| ((1)) | Thomas Lumsden of West Lumsden | ||||||||||||||
| (c)+ | other issue - John, William | ||||||||||||||
| (ii) | Gilbert Lumsden of East Lumsden & Blanerne uncle of Alexander | ||||||||||||||
| m. Mariot wife of Gilbert, presumed mother of ... | |||||||||||||||
| (a) | David Lumsden of East Lumsden & Blanerne (a 1453) | ||||||||||||||
| ((1)) | Patrick (sb John?) Lumsden or Lummisden of Blanerne | ||||||||||||||
| m. Christian Congalton (dau of Richard Congalton of that ilk) | |||||||||||||||
| ((A)) | ?? Lumsden possible intervening generation, possibly father of ... | ||||||||||||||
| ((i)) | John Lumsden of Blanerne (a 1568) | ||||||||||||||
| The dates given by 'Memorials' are not convincing! A review of the following on 03.08.22 using Wood (p400+) was started but left incomplete when it was accepted that work on the page was unlikely to lead to clear resolution. | |||||||||||||||
| ((a)) | David Lumsden 'of Blanerne' | ||||||||||||||
| m. (1585) Margaret Congalton (dau of Patrick Congalton of that ilk) | |||||||||||||||
| ((b)) | James (John?) Lumsden | ||||||||||||||
| m. ?? (Lumsden?), heiress of Airdrie in Fife | |||||||||||||||
| (((1))) | William Lumsden of Airdrie | ||||||||||||||
| m1. Janet Inglis (d before 1533) | |||||||||||||||
| (((A))) | Robert Lumsden of Airdrie - continued below | ||||||||||||||
| m. Isabel Cot ("a Frenchwoman") | |||||||||||||||
| m2. Eupham Lundun (a 1582) | |||||||||||||||
| (b) | Thomas Lumsden of Coldingham cousin of Alexander, possibly fits here | ||||||||||||||
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| Robert Lumsden of Airdrie - continued above | |||||||||||||||
| m. Isabel Cot ("a Frenchwoman") | |||||||||||||||
| 1. | Sir James Lumsden or Lumisdaine of Airdrie, 1st of Innergelly, Fife (b c1598, d 1660?, Major General, Governor of Osnaburg (Sweden) then Newcastle) | ||||||||||||||
| Wood, which otherwise provides an apparently good report on this family, suggests that the Sir James (a 1670, d by 1680) who acquired Innergellie m1. Margaret Bruce m2. Isabel Ramsay, had a son Sir James (dvp 1670, wife not named) who was father of George (b 1651), etc. Memorials suggests that Sir James, 1st of Inergelly, m. Christian Rutherford but does not follow his family. houseoflumsden.com supports that marriage and suggests that it was their son James who m. Margaret Bruce in 11.1643. Given his dates, which are shown as suggested by DNB (1885-1900, vol 34, 'James Lumsden'), we believe that Wood confused the generations. Sadly, this leaves us with some uncertainties regarding who were siblings of this Sir James and who were his children. | |||||||||||||||
| m. Christian Rutherford of Hunthill | |||||||||||||||
| A. | Sir James Lumsden or Lumisdaine of Innergellie (d 1670) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. (1643) Margaret Bruce (d 1662, dau of Sir George Bruce of Carnock) | |||||||||||||||
| i. | George Lumisdaine of Innergellie (b 1651, a 1711) | ||||||||||||||
| Wood (p384) reports that George "seems to have sold the estate to his uncle" Robert (sb great-uncle?) and then does not follow his line any further. | |||||||||||||||
| ii. | Jean Lumisdaine | ||||||||||||||
| m. (20.11.1670) Sir John Preston of Airdrie | |||||||||||||||
| iii.+ | other issue - Alexander (b 1654), Agnes (b 1653) | ||||||||||||||
| m2. (1663) Isabel Ramsay (d 1699, "waiting-woman of Ord of Carnbee") | |||||||||||||||
| v. | David Lumisdaine | ||||||||||||||
| B. | Robert Lumisdaine (d young?) | ||||||||||||||
| C. | Anna Lumisdaine | ||||||||||||||
| m. (1662) William Preston | |||||||||||||||
| D. | (Jean) Lumisdaine (Lumsden) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. "the Laird of Bamff" (Thomas Ramsay) | |||||||||||||||
| m2. (1666) "the Laird of Dun" (David Erskine of Dun (b 05.1640, d before 1710)) | |||||||||||||||
| E. | Magdalen Lumisdaine possibly of this generation | ||||||||||||||
| m. William Erskine of Torry (d 05.10.1700, Colonel) | |||||||||||||||
| 2. | Robert Lumisdaine of Stravithie (aka Balwhannie or Mountquhannie), Governor of Dundee (d 01.09.1651, Major General) | ||||||||||||||
| DNB (1885-1900, vol 34, 'James Lumsden') suggests that Robert, brother of the 1st Sir James, was "ancestor of the present family of Sandys-Lumsdaine of Blanerne and Innergellie". As shown below, other sources suggest that it was his younger brother William who was the ancestor. The position is more difficult to unravel than it might have been (!) because it appears that Innergellie was sold between different branches of the family. | |||||||||||||||
| m. _ Wemyss (d 1652) | |||||||||||||||
| A. | James Lumisdaine | ||||||||||||||
| i. | James Lumisdaine of Stravithie possibly of this generation | ||||||||||||||
| a. | Eliza Lumisdaine | ||||||||||||||
| m. Robert Lumisdaine, later of Stravithie @@ below | |||||||||||||||
| ii. | Agnes Lumisdaine probably of this generation | ||||||||||||||
| m. George Balfour, 3rd of Balbirnie (b 1664, d 1743) | |||||||||||||||
| B. | Robert Lumisdaine, later of Innergellie possibly fits here | ||||||||||||||
| m1. (1665) Helen Preston of Airdrie | |||||||||||||||
| i. | ?? Lumisdaine intervening generation?? | ||||||||||||||
| a. | Robert Lumisdaine'of that ilk' of Innergellie & Stravithie (b 1696, d 1761) | ||||||||||||||
| Wood (p385) reports that "Robert Lumisdaine of that Ilk was great grandson of Sir James, and acquired Inngergellie by purchase, and has a charter to it in 1730." | |||||||||||||||
| m1. Eliza Lumisdaine (dau of James Lumisdaine of Stravithie) @@ above | |||||||||||||||
| (1) | James Lumisdaine of Innergellie (dsp after 1803) presumed of this marriage | ||||||||||||||
| m. (22.05.1769) Christian Anstruther (dau of Sir Philip Anstruther) | |||||||||||||||
| m2. (1738) Sophia Lundin (d 1780, sister of James Lundin of that ilk) | |||||||||||||||
| (2) | Robert Lumisdaine of Innergellie (b 1743, d unm) | ||||||||||||||
| (3) | John Lumisdaine or Lumsdaine of Lumisdaine, Blanerne & Innergellie (b 1745, dsp?) | ||||||||||||||
| Wood (p385) identifies John as "afterwards of Lathallan" but then suggests that he "was heir to his brother in Lumisdaine, Blanerne, and Innergellie" but dsp (after 1803) and was succeeded (at least in Innergellie) by his (distant) cousin William of Rennyhill (below). However, BLG1886 ('Lumsdaine of Lathallan') reports that Major John (d 04.10.1823), 3rd son of Robert of Innergellie, who purchased Lathallan in 1787, was succeeded by his son ... | |||||||||||||||
| (A) | James Lumsdaine of Lathallan, Fife (d 22.12.1853) had issue | ||||||||||||||
| m. (27.10.1824) Sophia Lindesay of Balmungo | |||||||||||||||
| (4) | Ann Lumisdaine presumed of this marriage | ||||||||||||||
| m2. (before 1697, separated 1707) Isabel Ellis of Elliston (d before 1737) | |||||||||||||||
| 3. | George Lumisdaine of Rennyhill, Fife (d before 1636) | ||||||||||||||
| 4. | William Lumisdaine of Rennyhill possibly succeeded by ... | ||||||||||||||
| A. | ?? Lumisdaine intervening generation?? | ||||||||||||||
| i. | George Lumisdaine of Rennyhill | ||||||||||||||
| m. Jean Pringle parents of Robert & Jean, probably also of ... | |||||||||||||||
| a. | James Lumisdaine of Rennyhill | ||||||||||||||
| m. Mary Lilias Sharp (dau of Sir James Sharp) | |||||||||||||||
| (1) | William Lumisdaine 'of Edinburgh' of Rennyhill (4th son) | ||||||||||||||
| (A) | son | ||||||||||||||
| The following is supported by BLG1937 ('Sandys-Lumsdaine of Lumsdaine') which identifies the following William as successor to his cousin John in the estates of Lumsdaine, Blanerne & Innergellie and his father William as great-grandson of Colonel William, youngest brother of the distinguished Sir James. | |||||||||||||||
| (B) | William Lumisdaine of Rennyhill & Innergellie (d unm 06.01.1830) | ||||||||||||||
| (C) | Mary Lilias Lumisdaine (d 1864) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (1816) Rev. Edwin Sandys, later Sandys-Lumisdaine | |||||||||||||||
| (2) | Mary Lilias Lumisdaine (b 1742, d1787) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (1760) John Melville of Mordoch Cairnie | |||||||||||||||
| (3)+ | other issue - Robert (b 1740), James (b 1741), George (b 1746) | ||||||||||||||
| b.+ | other issue - Robert (b 1717), Jean (b 1712) | ||||||||||||||
| 5. | Helen Lumisdaine possibly fits here | ||||||||||||||
| m1. Sir Archibald Douglas of Whittingham | |||||||||||||||
| m2. (01.1632) Sir John Hamilton of Preston (b 1565, d 05.12.1644) | |||||||||||||||
Main source(s): 'Memorials of the Families of Lumsdaine, Lumisden or Lumsden' (Lt. Col. H.W. Lumsden, 1889), 'East Neuk of Fife' (Walter Wood, 1887, p381 & p383+)
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