'FitzHerbert04'Index links to: Lead / Letter
Families covered: FitzHerbert of Alcester, FitzHerbert of Hinton Martell, FitzReynold of Wolverton, FitzRoger of Chewton

                               
(1) The contents of this page were originally launched within Herbert01 but were moved here to distinguish this family from that one.
(2) TCP (Pembroke, vol X page 400 note b) reports: "A spurious pedigree from Herbert the Chamberlain (of Henry I), who is given an equally false descent from Herbert, Count of Vermandois, is set forth by Nicholas, Counties and County Families of Wales, vol ii, pp. 776-77." This not only threw doubt on the descent to Sir William ap Thomas (ap Gwilym ap Jenkin) of Raglan Castle (see Herbert01) but also throws doubt on the fact that the father of the first Chamberlain Herbert is reported by BE1883 to have been Peter de Vermandois, brother of Herbert, Count of Vermandois.
(3) BE1883 splits the origins of this family between two articles: one on Fitz-Herbert, the other on Herbert. The way that they are worded indicates that Herbert (Chamberlain to King Henry II) was brother to Piers FitzHerbert rather than his father. The picture is further confused by a looseness in the wording of BLG1886 (Herbert of Llanarth) which leaves it open to question as to the number of generations involved. Fortunately, TCP (FitzReynold) provides enough clarity to give some comfort that the following is reasonably secure, at least for the line to the Lords FitzReynold.
Herbert, Lord Chamberlain (a 1066, Chamberlain for King William Rufus 1087-1100)
m. Emma de Blois (dau of Etienne (Stephen Henry), Count de Blois, Chartres, etc)
1. Herbert FitzHerbert of Winchester, Lord Chamberlain (temp King Stephen 1135-1154)
  m. Sybil Corbet (dau of Robert Corbet of Alcester)
  A. Herbert FitzHerbert, Lord Chamberlain (temp Henry II 1154-1189, d before 18.07.1204)
  m. Lucy of Gloucester (dau of Milo de Gloucester, Earl of Hereford)
  ii. Reginald FitzHerbert (dvpsp)
  iii. Piers (Peter) FitzHerbert of Alcester and Berstaple (d 1235)
  m1. (1203) Alice (dau of Robert FitzRoger, lord of Warkworth and Clavering)
  BE1883 (FitzHerbert) reports that Peter's sons were by his second wife but TCP (FitzReynold) and BLG1886 report that Reynold was by his first wife.
  a. Herbert FitzPiers of Blaen Llyfni, etc (d 1247/8)
  b. Reynold FitzPiers (Reginald FitzPeter) FitzHerbert of Alcester and Blenlevenny, Sheriff of Hampshire (d 04/5.05.1286)
  m1. (1249) Alice
  (1) John FitzReynold FitzHerbert of Wolverton, etc, 1st Lord FitzReynold (d before 10.02.1309/10)
  m. Agnes
  BE1883 (Fitz-Herbert) suggests that the barony was not inherited by his (unnamed) successors who bore the surname of Fitz-Herbert. However, TCP (FitzReynold) identifies the following successors ...
(B) Sir Herbert FitzJohn of Wolverton, etc, 2nd Lord FitzReynold (d 25.06.1321)
  m. (29.04.1291) Alianore (dau of Sir Roger le Rous of Harescombe)
  (i) Sir Matthew FitzHerbert of Wolverton, etc, 3rd Lord FitzReynold (dsp 12.1356)
  m. (c06.1325) Margaret de Cobham (d 21.07.1357) dau of Sir Henry de Cobham, 1st Lord)
  (ii) Sir Reynold FitzHerbert of Stanford (d 10.1348)
  m. Julienne
  (a)+ issue - Margaret (b c1342), Elizabeth (b c1347)
  (2) Alice FitzPiers
  m. Sir John de St. John of Basing (b 1225, d 29.09.1301-2)
  (3) Eleanor FitzPiers possibly of this family, of this generation, speculative connection
  m1. John de Mohun, 6th of Dunster (d 11.06.1279)
  m2. William Martin of Kemeys, 1st Lord (b 1257, d before 08.10.1324)
  m2. Joane de Fortibus (de Vyvon) (b 1251, d 01.06.1314, dau of William de Fortibus or de Vivonia, lord of Chewton)
  (4) Reginald FitzReginald of HInton Martell, Dorset
The following comes from Commoners (vol IV, Jones of Llanarth).
  m. Joan Martel (dau/heir of Robert Martel of Hinton Martell)
  (A) Herbert FitzReginald (dvp)
  m. Lucy Peverell (dau/heir of Andrew Peverell)
  (i) Reginald FitzHerbert of Midsomer Norton (Somerset) & Hinton Martell (b 1313, d 1347)
  m. Joan Hakluyt (dau of Sir Edmund Hakluyt, m2. Thomas Blount)
  (a) Sir Edmund FitzHerbert of Midsomer Norton & Hinton Martell (b 1338, dsp 20.04.1387)
  m. Joan
  (b) Alice FitzHerbert
  m. (before 1365) Sir Thomas West (d 03.09.1386)
  Commoners suggests that Alicia dsp but TCP (West), which adds details on the identity of her mother, shows that she had issue.
(5) Peter FitzReginald of Chewton (Glen Magna) (b 1275, d 1323)
  m. Alice (dau of Blethin Broadspear, lord of Llanllowell)
  (A) Roger FitzPeter (dvp?)
  This line is supported by Commoners (vol IV, Jones of Llanarth) and by VCH (Leicestershire, vol 5, Great Glen) which identifies Roger's mother as Ela, heiress of Glen and possibly an heiress of the Martell family as the Martell family previously held land at Glen.
  (i) Sir Henry FitzRoger of Chewton (Glen Magna) (b 1319, d 1352)
  m. Elizabeth (d 1388)
  (a) Alan FitzRoger of Chewton (b 1344, dsp 1363)
  (b) Thomas FitzRoger of Chewton (dsp)
  (c) John FitzRoger of Chewton
  ((1)) Elizabeth FitzRoger, lady of Chewton (d 18.04.1414)
  m1. John Bonville (dvp)
  m2. Richard Stucley of Trent
(B) Herbert FitzPeter
  m. Margaret Walsh (dau of Sir John Walsh)
  (i) Adam FitzHerbert, lord of Llanllowel and Bettesley / Betesley / Beachley
  m. Christian (dau of Gwarin Ddu 'the Black Lord' of Llandilo)
(a) Sir Thomas (probably not John) ap Adam of Llanllowel
  The following (and some preceding generations) is supported by a note in TCP ('Ap Adam', p179) which deals with Lord John Ap Adam, albeit without showing how that Lord connected to this family. BE1883 names this knight Sir John, identifying him as grandfather of Margaret, whereas TCP names him Thomas.
  m. Margaret (dau of Llewelyn ap Howel)
  ((1)) Sir John ap Thomas ap Adam
  m. Joyce Winston (dau of Andrew Winston)
  ((A)) Margaret
m. Thomas Huntley of Llanarth (son of Thomas of Treowen by Alice, dau of William Wallis of Llanarth)
  ((i)) Mary Huntley of Llanllowell
  m. Thomas Parker of Monmouthshire
  ((ii)) Margaret Huntley
  m. David ap Jenkins of Treowen (d Banbury 1469)
  (b) Jenkin ap Adam
  This Jenkins, if he existed, is sometimes shown as the Jenkin ap Adam who was progenitor of various Herbert and other families, including the Herbert Earls of Pembroke.
  c. Lucia --
  Lucia is identified in BE1883 (Ros) as "dau. of Reginald FitzPiers of Blewleveny, in Wales" which would make her of the next generation but TCP (Ros) suggests that she was of this generation.
  m. William de Ros of Hamlake (d 1258) --
  m2. _ de Braose (dau of William de Braose, Lord of Brecknock)
  iv. Matthew FitzHerbert, Sheriff of Sussex (a 1210)

Main source(s): BE1883 (Herbert of Herbert, Chepstow, Pembroke and Huntingdon), BE1883 (FitzHerbert), TCP (FitzReynold) with some support from BLG1886 (Herbert of Llanarth)
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