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Families covered: Roger de Pitres of Gloucester, Ralph de Waer of Norfolk & Suffolk, Early Earls of Salisbury

                               
Roger de Pitres, Sheriff of Gloucester (a 1066)
1. Walter FitzRoger, Constable & Sheriff of Gloucester (b c1065, d c1127)
  A. Milo de Gloucester, 1st Earl of Hereford, Constable of England (d 24.12.1143)
  m. (1121) Sybil de Neufmarche (dau of Bernard de Newmarch of Brecknock)
  i. Roger of Gloucester, 2nd Earl of Hereford (d 1155)
  m. (by 05.1138) Cecily (dau of Payn FitzJohn of Ewyas, Sheriff of Hereford and Salop)
Roger opposed King Henry II and his title was forfeited. Possibly illegitimate were ...
  a. Walter of Hereford, lord of Abergavenny and Brecknock
  b. Henry of Hereford, lord of Abergavenny and Brecknock
  ii. Mahel of Hereford, lord of Abergavenny and Brecknock
  iii. Margery de Gloucester
  m. Humphrey de Bohun (d 06.04.1187, Steward to King Henry I of England)
  iv. Bertha of Gloucester HJY
  An article in Genealogist's Magazine (03.2005) implies that Bertha's mother may have been by an earlier marriage of her father. TCP (Hereford) makes no mention of an earlier marriage.
  m. William de Braose of Brecknock HJY
  v. Lucy of Gloucester --
  m. Herbert FitzHerbert of Winchester, Lord Chamberlain (temp King Stephen 1135-1154) --
  B. Maud of Gloucester HJY
  m. Richard FitzPons of Cantref Bychan HJY

 

 

Ralph de Waer (or Guader or Wayer, also known as de Gael), 'the Staller', 1st Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk (b by 1041, d c1069)
BE1883 reports that there was only 1 Earl who conspired against the King, fled into exile, and forfeited the title. BE1883 also reports that that Earl was the father of Ralph, Alan and also Amicia (who married Robert, Earl of Leicester). We follow TCP which shows additional generations.
1. Ralph de Gael (or de Waer), 2nd Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk
  m. (1075) Emma FitzOsborne (dau of William FitzOsbern, 1st Earl of Hereford)
  A. William of Breteuil
  B. Ralph of Breteuil
  i. Alice or Amicie (de Waer) HJRY
  m. (c1120 Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester, Viceroy of England (b 1104, d 05.04.1168) HJRY
  C. Allan
2. Hardwin

 

 

TCP (Salisbury) starts this family with the following Edward and reports that, whilst some sources say he was son of Walter 'le Ewrus', Earl of Rosmar, that Walter was actually "a fictitious person" and Edward's parentage is unknown. TCP reports: "The nickname "le Ewrus" (= l'heureux, or the fortunate) was converted into "de Evreux" by later writers, with the result that the family has been given the name Devereux and has been tacked on to the Norman Counts of Evreux."
Edward of Salisbury, Sheriff of Wiltshire (b before 1060, a 1120)§T§
m. Matilda FitzHubert
1. Walter of Salisbury, Sheriff of Wiltshire (d 1147)
  m. Sibilla de Chaworth (dau of Patrick de Chaworth or Chaources by Maud, dau of Ernulf de Hesdin)
  A. William of Salisbury (dsp)
B. Patrick FitzWalter, 1st Earl of Salisbury (d c07.04.1168)
  m1. Maud
  m2. (1152) Ala (Ela) Talvas (d 04.10.1174, dau of William Talvas, Count of Ponthieu)
  i. William FitzPatrick, 2nd Earl of Salisbury (d 1196)
  m. Alianore de Vitrei (d before 12.08.1233, dau of Robert de Vitre of Tilliers)
  a. Ela Fitzpatrick (b 1187, d 24.08.1261) HJY
  m. (1196) William Plantagenet, 'Longespee', 1st Earl of Salisbury (b 17.08.1152, d 04.03.1226) HJY
  C. Walter of Salisbury (canon of Bradenstoke)
  D. Sibyl of Salisbury HJRY
  m. John FitzGilbert Mareschal (d 1165) HJRY
2. Maud of Salisbury (or Saresbury)
  m. Humphrey de Bohun

Main source(s):
(1) For family of Gloucester: TCP (Hereford) with input from sundry cross-references (eg in BE1883)
(2) For family de Wayer: TCP (Norfolk), BE1883 (Wayer of Norfolk and Suffolk)
(3) For Earls of Salisbury: BE1883 (D'Evereux of Salisbury), TCP (Salisbury)
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