'Lovel02'
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Families covered: Lovel of Dockinges (Docking), Lovel of Holand, Lovel of Ivry (Yvery), Lovel of Minster Lovel, Lovel of Morley, Lovel of Titchmarsh (Tichmersh)
| As mentioned in the note at the top of Lovel01, on 19.11.04 we reviewed our approach to the Lovel families and made it clearer that we do not share the view (given in BE1883 and elsewhere) that the Lovels of Tichmarsh shared ancestry with the Lovels of Castle Cary. | |||||||||||||||
| Robert, Sn d'Ivry (a 1060) | |||||||||||||||
| m. (c1035) Aubree (probably dau of Hugh d'Ivry, Bishop of Bayeux) | |||||||||||||||
| 1. | Robert d'Ivry of Breval (later a monk) | ||||||||||||||
| This Robert is shown by various sources as the Robert who was a younger son of Eudo, Duke of Brittany. However, this possible connection is not even mentioned by TCP which shows his parentage as above. Considering the dates and allowing for the fact that marriages were sometimes effected between children, it is possible that it was his father Robert who was son of Duke Eudo (b c999) but, except for the commonality of the view that there was a connection to that family, we have seen no evidence to support such a view. | |||||||||||||||
| m. Hildebruge (d 03.06.1115, dau of Herve de Gallardon by Beatrix) | |||||||||||||||
| A. | Ascelin Gouel de Perceval, 'Lupus', Sire de Yvery (d before 1119) | ||||||||||||||
| Many sources identify Ascelin as Comte de Yvery (Ivry) but TCP makes no mention of his having that title. Apparently, he obtained the nickname Lupus (Wolf) because of his reputation for having a bad temper. | |||||||||||||||
| m. Isabella (natural dau of William, Comte de Breteuil) | |||||||||||||||
| i. | Robert Goel (dsp 1119, Castellan of Ivry) | ||||||||||||||
| ii. | William 'Lupellus' or Lovel, Sire d'Ivry (d before 1170) | ||||||||||||||
| Following his father's nickname, William was nicknamed Lupellus (Little Wolf) which became Lupel and thence Lovel. | |||||||||||||||
| m. Matilda (Maud) de Bellomonte (dau of Robert de Beaumont, Count of Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester) | |||||||||||||||
| a. | Waleran, Sire d'Ivry (a 1176, 2nd son) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Reine | |||||||||||||||
| (1) | Robert, Sire d'Ivry had issue (later Sires d'Ivry in Normandy) | ||||||||||||||
| b. | William Lovel of Minster Lovel and Dockinges (d 1213) - continued below | ||||||||||||||
| m. Isabel | |||||||||||||||
| c.+ | other issue - Robert (dvpsp), Elizabeth, Helisent | ||||||||||||||
| Various sources (web sites, etc.) suggest that William had another son, Richard Perceval, who was ancestor of various families by the name of Perceval, including the Earls of Egmont. TCP (Egmont) reports "the only brother of Waleran, whose existence can be proved, is Robert, who is not mentioned by English genealogists at all. The statement that this family is identical with that of the Counts of Egmont "in Flanders" (really in North Holland) is an impudent fiction." This will be investigated further as part of a future review of the Percevals of Egmont. | |||||||||||||||
| iii. | Roger le Begue of Grossoeuvre = Robert de Torigni probably the Roger d'Ivry who married ... | ||||||||||||||
| m. Adeline de Grandmesnil (dau of Hugh de Grentmesnil, Steward) | |||||||||||||||
| iv. | John de Perceval of Harpetre (d by 1138) | ||||||||||||||
| Whilst John is often shown as one of the younger sons of Ascelin, it appears that this is not certain. [TCP (Lovel of Titchmarsh) does not mention him.] Some sources report that John de Harpetre was part of the Grentemesnil family. One of those sources that do show John as of this family, but which supports the lineage shown on Lovel01, is 'A Genealogical History of the House of Yvery; In its Different Branches of Yvery, Luvel, Perceval, and Gournay' (vol II, 1742) which shows that John was father of (John and) William (a 1138) father of John father of (John and) William (a 1223) father of the (Pagan & William and) Thomas who is shown on the continuation as m. Eva de Gournay who d before 1230. We suspect that that has too many generations and so remove 2 of them. | |||||||||||||||
| a. | William de Harpetre of Harpetre | ||||||||||||||
| v. | daughter | ||||||||||||||
| m. Radulfus Rufus | |||||||||||||||
| vi.+ | 3 sons | ||||||||||||||
| One of these other sons may have been John de Perceval of Harpetre, ancestor of some families by the name of Gournay. However, some sources report that that John de Harpetre was part of the Grentemesnil family. This will be researched further in due course. | |||||||||||||||
| partner unknown | |||||||||||||||
| ix. | Robert Rufus | ||||||||||||||
| B.+ | other issue - William, Robert (or Gamel) | ||||||||||||||
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| William Lovel of Minster Lovel and Dockinges (d 1213) - continued above | |||||||||||||||
| m. Isabel | |||||||||||||||
| BE1883 suggests that there two generations of William, rather than one, between William Lupellus and ... | |||||||||||||||
| 1. | John Lovel of Minster Lovel and Dockinges (d before 23.12.1252) | ||||||||||||||
| Whilst BE1883 identifies John's wife as Aliva, dau of Alan Basset of Mursdewall & Wycombe, TCP reports that he married "before Aug. 1216, (_), da, of Alan Basset and Aline his wife"then adds a note which reports that "Philpot ... calls her Katherine". Alan Basset of Wycombe & Aline/Aliva certainly had a daughter called Aliva (or Aline) but she was otherwise married. We presume that John's wife was a sister of that Aliva/Aline. | |||||||||||||||
| m. (before 08.1216) (Katherine?) Basset (dau of Alan Basset of Mursdewall & Wycombe by Aline) | |||||||||||||||
| A. | John Lovel, Sheriff of Cambridgeshire and Huntingdon (d 1286/7) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Maud Sydenham, heiress of Tichmersh | |||||||||||||||
| i. | Sir John Lovel, 1st Lord of Tichmersh or Titchmarsh (b 1255, d 1310/1) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. (c1270) Isabel de Bois (dau of Ernald de Bois of Thorpe Ernald) | |||||||||||||||
| a. | Maud Lovel | ||||||||||||||
| m. William la Zouche, 1st Lord of Haryngworth (b 1276, d 12.03.1351-2) | |||||||||||||||
| m2. Joan Ros (d 13.10.1348, dau of Robert de Ros of Hamlake and Belvoir, 1st Lord) | |||||||||||||||
| b. | John Lovel, 2nd Lord of Titchmarsh (d 24.06.1314) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Maud Burnell (dau of Sir Philip Burnell of Acton Burnell) | |||||||||||||||
| (1) | John Lovel, 3rd Lord of Titchmarsh (b 09.1314, d 03.11.1347) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Isabella la Zouche (d 02.08.1349, sister of William la Zouche, Lord of Harringworth) | |||||||||||||||
| (A) | John Lovel, 4th Lord of Titchmarsh (b 1341, dsp 12.07.1361) | ||||||||||||||
| (B) | John Lovel, 5th Lord of Titchmarsh (b c1344, d 10.09.1408) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (c1372) Maud de Holand, 'Baroness Holand' (d 07.05.1423, dau of Robert de Holand) | |||||||||||||||
| (i) | John Lovel, 6th Lord of Titchmarsh, Lord Holand (d 19.10.1414) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Alianore la Zouche (dau of William la Zouche, Lord of Harringworth) | |||||||||||||||
| (a) | William Lovel, 7th Lord of Titchmarsh, Lord Holand (b 1397, d 13.06.1455) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (before 31.08.1422) Alice Deincourt, Baroness Deincourt & Rotherfield (b 25.02.1404, d 10.02.1473/4, dau of John Deincourt, 5th Lord) | |||||||||||||||
| ((1)) | John Lovel, 8th Lord of Titchmarsh, Lord Holand (d 09.01.1464/5) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Joan Beaumont (d 05.08.1466, dau of John Beaumont, 1st Viscount) | |||||||||||||||
| ((A)) | Francis Lovel, 9th Lord of Titchmarsh, Lord Holand, Viscount Lovel (b c1455, dsp 16.06.1487) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Anna FitzHugh (dau of Henry FitzHugh, 6th Lord) | |||||||||||||||
| Francis, who had been high in the favour of King Richard III, was attainted and his titles forfeited by King Henry VII. | |||||||||||||||
| ((B)) | Joane Lovel (d before 1507) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Sir Brian Stapleton of Carlton (d 16.12.1496) | |||||||||||||||
| In 1840 one of their descendants successfully claimed the Barony of Beaumont. | |||||||||||||||
| ((C)) | Fridiswide Lovel | ||||||||||||||
| m. Sir Edward Norreys or Norris of Yattenden | |||||||||||||||
| ((2)) | William Lovel, Lord Morley (d 23/6.07.1476) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (by 01.01.1464/5) Eleanor Morley (b 14.10.1442, d 20.08.1476, dau of Robert Morley, 6th Lord) | |||||||||||||||
| ((A)) | Henry Lovel, Lord Morley (b 1468, dsp 13.06.1489) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Elizabeth de la Pole (dau of John de la Pole, 1st Duke of Suffolk) | |||||||||||||||
| ((B)) | Alice Lovel, 'Baroness Morley' (d 23.12.1518) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. Sir William Parker (a 1504, standard bearer) | |||||||||||||||
| Their successors became Lords Morley. | |||||||||||||||
| m2. (before 01.1505/6) Sir Edward Howard (dsp 25.04.1513, son of Thomas, Duke of Norfolk) | |||||||||||||||
| ((3))+ | other issue - Robert (dsp), William | ||||||||||||||
| (b) | William Lovel | ||||||||||||||
| m. Elizabeth St. Clere (dau of Thomas St. Clere of Barton St. John) | |||||||||||||||
| (c) | Philippe Lovel (d 15.05.1465) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. John Dinham, 5th Lord (b 1359/60, d 25.12.1428) | |||||||||||||||
| m2. (before 24.03.1428/9) Nicholas Broughton | |||||||||||||||
| (ii) | Sir Robert Lovel | ||||||||||||||
| m. (c1390) Elizabeth Bryan (b c1380, dau of Sir Guy de Bryan) | |||||||||||||||
| (b) | Maud Lovel | ||||||||||||||
| m1. Sir Richard Stafford | |||||||||||||||
| m2. John FitzAlan, Lord Maltravers, 13th Earl of Arundel (d 1435) | |||||||||||||||
| (C) | Isabella Lovel | ||||||||||||||
| m. Thomas Greene | |||||||||||||||
| c. | James Lovel | ||||||||||||||
| (1) | Sir Ralph Lovel | ||||||||||||||
| d. | Maud Lovel probably of this generation | ||||||||||||||
| m. Sir Ralph de Gorges of Wraxall and Litton (a 1297) | |||||||||||||||
| ii. | Sir Thomas Lovel of Tickwell | ||||||||||||||
| partner unknown | |||||||||||||||
| iii. | John Lovel of Snorscombe (judge) | ||||||||||||||
| B. | Philip Lovel (d 1258, judiciar) | ||||||||||||||
| m. ?? (widow of Alexander de Arsic) | |||||||||||||||
| i. | Sir John Lovel | ||||||||||||||
| a. | Margaret Lovel | ||||||||||||||
| m. Thomas de Botetourt | |||||||||||||||
| ii. | Agnes Lovel, priest | ||||||||||||||
| C. | Fulco Lovel, Archdeacon of Colchester | ||||||||||||||
| D. | Agnes Lovel | ||||||||||||||
| m. Adam de Chetwynd | |||||||||||||||
Main source(s):
(1) TCP (Lovel of Titchmarsh), BE1883 (Lovel of Tichmersh), BE1883 (Morley), TCP (Morley)
(2) 'Lovell and Related Families. A Genealogical Collection' by GWL Stanhope-Lovell, published 1983
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